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Thread: Comebacks: Ando, Kim, Plushenko, Weir, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I thought there was a good chance of a quadless champion in Vancouver, and it could have been any of Lysacek, Chan, Oda, or a number of others. As I said who was doing quads who didnt suck overall as a skater. Only an old Plushenko who was skating awful programs and clearly poorly prepared, although he still would have won if he didnt struggle to hold onto every jump in his long program.

    Today there is no chance of a quadless champion. The caliber of skating is way too high for that. For a skater to hope for the Sochi gold it would require atleast 3 quads, 2 in the long, 1 in the short, tremendous presentation, superior to what Evan has ever had in fact, top quality elements on all of jumps, spins, and footwork, and Chan falling atleast twice, probably more.
    How did leans in the air on two jumps turn into problems on every jump for Plushenko? LOL! He had the highest standard of jumping at the Vancouver Olympics. No one at the Olympics matched his jumping talent!

    Judges thought the last time he competed Lysacek was the best in the world and gave him a prize that means one of the best of all time. They think his caliber of skating is amazing and gold medal at the Olympics worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    How did leans in the air on two jumps turn into problems on every jump for Plushenko? LOL! He had the highest standard of jumping at the Vancouver Olympics. No one at the Olympics matched his jumping talent!

    Judges thought the last time he competed Lysacek was the best in the world and gave him a prize that means one of the best of all time. They think his caliber of skating is amazing and gold medal at the Olympics worthy.
    I seriously cant stop laughing at your posts. I am going to give myself a break from reading them before I give myself a rib injury from laughing so hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    i seriously cant stop laughing at your posts. I am going to give myself a break from reading them before i give myself a rib injury from laughing so hard.
    ok.

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    i like your posts gmeyers. Fangtong, must you be so denigrating to other posters? I tire of your insults. It seems trolllish to me and hurts the discussion. We are people here, and anonymity shouldn't make you forget civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    i like your posts gmeyers. Fangtong, must you be so denigrating to other posters? I tire of your insults. It seems trolllish to me and hurts the discussion. We are people here, and anonymity shouldn't make you forget civility.
    Thanks! Right back to you!

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    No problem. We can be spirited but we must be civil and kind as we all have different knowledge, backrounds etc. I have not always been PC about a skater. I often say how I really feel within reason and defending underdogs (or not) but what makes the forum fun is not just knowledge shared, showing off one's memory skills, or CoP knowledge, but making freinds and the camerarderie. We have "safe" threads we are asked to respect, and we have or should fiery discussions because we are all very different. I enjoy your posts a lot pangtong. You are acidic, and funny at times but denigrating other posters makes people AFRAID to post as the thought becomes, I am next. I don't believe in tattling to a busy mod at my age...it seems it should be reserved for real infractions. I just wish people will be kind to me when due to memory injury I am not the best CoP scorekeeper. GS has enough numbers folks anyway, much easier to ask.

    Can you tell I am or was long before major catastrophe a social worker? Long ago, but it never leaves. I hope I have not annoyed a mod. It is best I guess to complain to them, but I'd rather see us have good threads that don't get shut down for silly reasons. The season is coming, and I invite you both to the very freindly Oly threads. We all, tho small in number have enjoyed different sports due to freindly camerarderie, not expertise.

    I am in a lot of pain from shingles not departing, so I come to GS for fun and learning. I am sure my open ness or religiosity (in the proper forum) might annoy someone, but if I ever brusque due to pain/fatigue making me short with abreviation or just not using the smiley emoticons that help conversation go better, please pm me. I have no problem with being corrected re a skater history or ability (I welcome it) but i can't promise I will never criticize a skater you adore. I think we older gen posters are beyond adoration and accept almost all comments, but we are asked to be civil (and I ask for higher standards-kind/helpful/supportive) than the guidelines.

    Just return the favor some day gmeyers. With a certain amazing skater coming back, so will the out of body ubers, so there will be tough days. I like skater x, but also her rival, skater y. This is a huge problem for young ubers who might come from Ireland where they have their one beloved skater. They see any criticism as trollish and they are young. So with season coming maybe we can do some resolutions...I have a thread idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Artur will likely be a political bronze if he skates very well.
    I expect many many posts like that during Sochi cause no other Federation other than Russian is strong enough to be politiking but you what? He could actually take bronze and deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    How did leans in the air on two jumps turn into problems on every jump for Plushenko? LOL! He had the highest standard of jumping at the Vancouver Olympics. No one at the Olympics matched his jumping talent!
    Hmm, he had leans on 4 jumps - both of the Lutzes, the Loop, and one of the Triple Axels. That Axel and the second Lutz additionally had minor problems on the landings. Yes, he was still definitely the best in terms of jumps in 2010, but it was far from his best. I feel there are skaters who were overall better than him at that competition, despite deserving less points on the jumps. Of course, Evan Lysacek was not one of them.

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    I wonder why Evan is truly coming back? He is pretty confident; I thought he should be lucky he has a World And olympic title. He is a fighter and competitor but his skating does not compare with the Japanese men or even Patrick Chan. I will be curious if he truly can land quads or is that showboating? It is hard competing though against a man in Vera Wang - like thousand of dollars I guess for his outfit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DianaSelene View Post
    You know why? Because Plushenko is NOT Chan and Takahashi. Different skaters, different styles, different transitions. Surprise!
    Yes, of course they are different skaters, but Takahashi and Chan are doing transitions which deserve high PCS score, Plushenko is not.

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    Maybe you missed these opinions:

    Stojko :
    "If you take out a quad, it makes the whole program at least 50% easier to do."

    Chan:
    "I kind of took the side that if you did a clean program without the quad you can still win and you can be comfortable." "But to be honest, it’s a whole different level to be doing quads, a whole different level of confidence."
    "I understand now. I’m on the other side of the wall. It’s a level of excitement I’m talking about. You just elevate your program to that level of excitement where everyone else who has done quads, like Plushenko, has that excitement."

    Christy Krall: "The quad four revolution : you need up to 300 pounds of centrifugal force to hold in their arms and legs when they jump, And when they come down, the force on the landing leg is up to 8 à 14 times their body weight,.. punishing their bone, muscles, tendons…"

    But Evan wasn't perfect. Evan did mistakes-which are not visible to non-specialists, the European and Asien experts saw them, and they have told it in media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Yes, of course they are different skaters, but Takahashi and Chan are doing transitions which deserve high PCS score, Plushenko is not.
    Oh , really? Look at this!

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/ec..._FS_Scores.pdf

    Are you Finnish? Laura Lepisto's twitt, after Plushy 's skating in Sheffield

    https://twitter.com/#!/LauraLepisto/...85031467487232
    @LauraLepisto Simply holding my breath after watching Plushenko's free program... Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Oh , really? Look at this!

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/ec..._FS_Scores.pdf

    Are you Finnish? Laura Lepisto's twitt, after Plushy 's skating in Sheffield

    https://twitter.com/#!/LauraLepisto/...85031467487232
    @LauraLepisto Simply holding my breath after watching Plushenko's free program... Wow.
    Scores Plushenko got at Europeans were ridiculously inflated. The fact he got 8s for transitions doesn't mean he deserved them! Just compare what he does between his elements with Chan's or Dai's programs. The difference is really visible as long as you can distinguish between Plushenko's crossovers and Chan's complex and intricate footwork...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartek View Post
    Scores Plushenko got at Europeans were ridiculously inflated. The fact he got 8s for transitions doesn't mean he deserved them! Just compare what he does between his elements with Chan's or Dai's programs. The difference is really visible as long as you can distinguish between Plushenko's crossovers and Chan's complex and intricate footwork...
    Maybe. I don't know, I'm not expert, and I'm not judge. But "Chan's complex and intricate footwork" is too boring for me, or sometimes I'm got nervous because of it. And not to mention, he often fall in his "complex and intricate" footwork. But i don't know exactly the level of his footwork. Dai is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Hmm, he had leans on 4 jumps - both of the Lutzes, the Loop, and one of the Triple Axels. That Axel and the second Lutz additionally had minor problems on the landings. Yes, he was still definitely the best in terms of jumps in 2010, but it was far from his best. I feel there are skaters who were overall better than him at that competition, despite deserving less points on the jumps. Of course, Evan Lysacek was not one of them.
    Since this dead horse keeps suffering, if I recall your podium was

    1. Takahashi
    2. Kozuka
    3. Plushenko or Wier (I think you felt Wier at the time, but I also know you thought Plushenko's jump difficulty might have been enough). Correct?

    plushyfan, I'm not a Plushenko fan but even I was amazed by his Sheffield LP - the sheer competitive vigour alone is astonishing. But no, that was nowhere near the complexity of what Chan or Takahashi (or Abbott on his best days) does.

    Obviously, if you're bored by the more complex stuff, you're bored by it. Others are bored by the stand-and-pose aspect of Plushenko's skating. Others are bored by Chan's lack of showmanship. We're all attracted to figure skating for different reasons, and each top skater has their own unique skill sets that we respond to (or not).

    But Chan's footwork is sick. The footwork to his Take Five SP might be the most difficult ever.

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