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But I do think there is a tremendous amount of corruption in every country. Russia and her athletes get very upset and usually protest any result. You know the situations that were contested. In FS Irina in 2002 was really too much.
Sorry, I feel this way, and you are entitled to see things as you wish. I like skaters from around the world, whereas, you are endearingly devoted to Plush and the Russian skaters. That is fine with me. I kind of don't have huge nationalism issues that some (not you, but some) cannot get over.
Imaginery Pogue the point of Euros was not to excel to the pcs but to be better than the rest at this competition, no?
I would say performance and interpretation of whatever choreography he was given (better than Amodio's for sure) was what set him apart. Plus the only jump he crooked was the 2axel. Maybe if you see the whole final group together in the order they skated, you can see what I saw. Skating Skills you know better, I find them good. Thomas and Amodio had the best in that competition for me.
You can say whatever you want about RF, I see politiking from everywhere. My post was because I believe it is unfair to claim Arthur will have a politiking bronze when competition hasnt placed yet.
From what I saw, Mishin devotes more ice time on Arthur and Liza than Plush. And they have different ice time schedules, they dont train together most of the day. Plus Arthur is really pushed in this group to set himself apart and surpass Plushenko, at least he does more different quads in practice. It will be a hard season, he blew the Worlds and they now have one spot that probably will give to Plushenko because as much as people think he sucks he wont finish 16th, that is the only problem I see. Which coach would be better now for him?
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Nicky Slater:ES comentator
Skating highlights? Plushenko, of course. Evgeni was not ‘more of the same’ for me, which is what I expected. There was less frenetic movement, more strength in his presence, sophistication in the choreography and maturity, plus the impressive technical. Great to see him back stronger than ever.
The main event this year – if the crowd was anything to go by – was the Men’s. The arena was packed and the audience was excited, mainly, I think, because of the return of Olympic gold medallist and twice silver medallist, Evgeni Plushenko, who – as ever – didn’t disappoint.
We have done many shows with Evgeni and there is no doubt that he is a star in the skating world. He has a presence which is hard to define and almost impossible to imitate – as his training partner, runner up Artur Gachinski, can attest to.
Artur skated cleanly and landed more quads than Evgeni, tried his best to skated like him and in some ways is more able in the transition steps. Yet, somehow, when he finished, he was met with good applause rather than the impromptu standing ovation and wild enthusiasm following Plushenko. Many people questioned Evgeni’s comeback, but I think he proved here in Sheffield that he is still one of the best competitors ever in the sport and certainly a big draw. He is also a charmer, praising the organization and atmosphere of the event in his interview following the competition.
TR: What was the main event of the Europeans?
NM: Pluschenko's gold. I'm overwhelmed with his skating! In the Lp he showed the level that no one could this season, not even the Canadian Patrick Chan. Many say Pluschenko's components were too high, but I would give him even higher marks! He has the charisma that a true champion must have....
The main event of the competition in Sheffield became the return of Evgeni Plushenko. I was simply shocked from his performance. How much masculine power he has!
In the free program Evgeni showed such a level, which in this season cannot show even Patrik Chan.
And the marks for the components are not heightened. I would have put even higher ones! The skating, which Plushenko shows, is a real man’s skating. He has a charisma. That is why his skating is a felt like a skating, not just walking on the ice.
Do you think they are blind, or don't understand the figure skating?
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plushyfan, I'd say Morosov is blatantly politicking, that Kerr actually has very little in her comment that relates to PCS scoring and Nicky has a little more, but not enough for me to actually argue.
Absolutely true. And that's why he remains such a threat.Originally Posted by plushyfan
I also didn't factor in Weir's lacking SP enough at the time. I definitely still feel Weir outskated Lysacek in the LP, though, and I still feel Takhashi and Kozuka deserved the top spots at that Olympics. Their overall skating quality was the best of the competition, FAR superior to Plushenko and Lysacek, and they had the most difficult LP's.
1. Takahashi (SP 1, LP 1) - Really screwed over by undeserved < calls and too much of a deduction on the ! calls. The fall in the LP didn't matter, he was still the best. If Patrick Chan can fall 3 times these days and still beat everyone else, then Takahashi at 2010 Olympics certainly had a 1 fall cushion over the rest of the field, with the way they skated.
2. Kozuka (SP 7, LP 2) - Yes, his LP really is that good. A clean Quad and 3Axel-3Toe, speed, edges, and a sensitivity that suits the music really well.
3. Plushenko (SP 3, LP 3) - He deserves a medal for skating relatively clean with the only Quad-Triple combinations of the competition. Everything else about his skating was lacking, although his innate performance ability in the LP was still better than Lysacek's and he at least had SOME musical interpretation.
4. Lysacek (SP 2, LP 5) - Very good SP performance and such a lackluster LP performance. The jumps are small (and that second Triple Axel is just barely rotated and landed), the choreography and the interpretation especially are poor, and his skating skills are entirely average for someone at this level. He deserves 5th in the LP only because of how relatively clean it was...I'd barely put him ahead of Patrick Chan's performance that had a fall and a step-out.
5. Weir (SP 6, LP 4) - The SP was too reserved, not enough attack (and it wasn't a great program to begin with), which resulted in a bit less quality on the technical elements too. The LP had lovely musical interpretation and flow over the ice at times (I'd have him 3rd on PCS for the LP), but obviously the difficulty wasn't there in comparison to the top 3. He should have been really close in points to Plushenko's LP, though.
6. Chan (SP 8, LP 6) - A messy SP and I don't like his LP, but he skated it extremely well aside from the couple jump mistakes.
7. Lambiel (SP 5, LP 7) - The worst in terms of jumps out of the top 8 at this competition and, except for the second half of his SP, he skated so nervous throughout the whole competition. His amazing spins and second footwork sequence keep him that high in the SP, but he really should have been hammered in the LP on the PCS because it was not good.
8. Oda (SP 4, LP 8) - A technically solid, if bland, SP performance and an overly cautious LP performance (which seriously detracts from the character he is trying to play here) that becomes drastically hurt by the fall and resulting "timeout" he takes.
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