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Thread: Thornhill Summer Skate 2012, August 16-19

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernDancers View Post
    Thanks for posting the videos from BC and Thornhill!

    For G/P this video is much easier to catch the flavour than the one from the Scarboro gala.

    There are a number of things they do well: innovative lifts, innovative spin, energy, attack, speed. They clearly enjoy skating together, and have a lot of presence on the ice. They are fun to watch.

    This does not make them a great competitive ice dance team yet. There are way too many cross-cuts and too much 2-foot skating, the elements are not tied together smoothly, they are missing matching angles, lines and edges (the pictures tell the tale on this), the 2nd step sequence especially looked like she was struggling to keep up with him, there is not a lot of finishing movements or focus on the dance. To me, not unlike last year, it looked more like a modified pairs program than a dance program. We are missing the dance.

    Last year, the Canadian judges seemed to completely ignore the realities of this situation, perhaps mesmerized by costumes, speed and tricks. And we saw ridiculous marks in Thornhill as well. I'm hoping the international judges will set this straight and have some more perspective. I don't see a problem with good marks on the tricks/elements themselves when they are well executed. I have a real issue seeing 8's and 9's on the PCS side when the skating and team basics are weak or missing entirely. As a team, G/P need to work on the basics in order to deserve those kinds of marks. My fear is that the over-marking of last year has sent a message to them that they can bypass/short-circuit this with energy, speed and flash. An even greater fear is that they will continue to get over-rewarded for this.


    To me, I was very impressed with R/H. Of all the Senior teams competing this past weekend, I think they have improved the most. Their SD was really very good. The polka was very well executed, and they had some great dancing. They had good lines, edges, unison.....quality skating. I even sorta liked their costumes. I'm really looking forward to their FD. If they continue their improvements and development, they will definitely be in the running for 3rd at Nationals.

    I was also pleased to see P/I back to their former selves. It was painful to watch last year. I'm happy to see they will remain in Detroit beyond the Summer. Comparing these 2 with G/P, they really are opposites. P/I are all smooth lines, soft knees, unison, close skating, beautiful edges, intricate choreography, understated charm, elegance. They are missing attack, energy and speed. I'm hoping that their time in Detroit will help them find this over the season. They are dancers. They just need some confidence, power, and speed - perhaps an easier hill to climb than the mountain in front of G/P. I think the 3rd spot is going to be an interesting 3-way battle between G/P, P/I and R/H at Nationals.

    I did not include O/W in that battle for 3rd. I think it is likely they will remain in the same spot after the season is over. I didn't catch their FD, but from the SD, I don't see a ton of improvement. The concept and packaging of the SD is wonderful (small point, I love her hair, and hope she loses the pig tails in the future). It suits them perfectly for sure. They can skate fast, and are clearly having fun. But again, there is a ton of 2-foot skating, a real lack of innovative connecting choreography, not much range in emotion and presentation and general shakiness (especially on his part). I don't like all the different music cuts. Is this a rule in the SD as well? Can they not just use 1 or 2 pieces of music? It makes the program choppy. I'm eager to see their FD. I'm hoping I see more in terms of mature skating, quality lines and finishing movements, more depth of expression, more intricate choregraphy, and so on.
    ITA, NorthernDancers, with everything here. Honestly, you took the words right out of my mouth.

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    If anyone would like to take a look at Skate Canada's website, you will find it full to overflowing with Gilles/ Poirier promotion, NOT our first or second team. I do not think they will be inclined to change horses in mid-stream, therefore I believe the 'battle' will decide fourth, fifth and sixth places. I also think the putative third team has their eye on second place. After all, they always could 'beat' Weaver/Poje in Canada.
    ETA: They were remarkably close in last year's episode, stay tuned.
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    Hmmm..Yes, I'm very afraid of the possibility that 3rd place may be a forgone conclusion ( as I'm sure many are ). However we won't have anything to judge by 'til, would it be SLC ? .. since not all programs have been shown ( or archived , and nothing is likely to come out of high performance camp )

    But I think NorthernDancers is wrong to leave O/W out of the mix..The style of O/W's SD doesn't lend itself to spotting the kind of improvement we were all looking for ( still , I thought I noticed some )..However, where I noticed a lot of said improvement was in the FD..which lots of people still have to wait to see.

    Of these "log jam" teams , O/W is the only one to hit both level 4's in their polka, so far ( level 4's in everything but step sequences , where they only garnered a level 2 )..their SD marks were very close to their LPIDC marks, which argues against much in the way of home-cooked scores at BC/YT this year. ( And they have well over 2 months to try to pull the footwork level up between now and their first GP. )

    OTOH, judging by the comparison between P/I's scores at the two events, the same cannot be said for Thornhill , in regard to home cooking.

    I think R/H's SD has the potential to be good as well as fun. It's rough right now , but it's early. They had level 3s on both YP patterns , 4s on twizzles and lift , but only a level 1 on their step sequence. There was a lot of clutching and grabbing .. and I noticed Kharis' shoulders hiking up at the start of each element again.. but I expect that will change over the months between now and Canadians..they luckily have a GP and Nebelhorn to get feedback and exposure to INT'L judges.

    P/I only got a level3 and level2 on the YPs , but I assume that will be seriously worked on , and as has been noted , DSC has been excellent at getting their skaters high levels in the pattern dances. They had 3s on twizzles and steps, and 4 on their lift..Again, I see no reason why those levels would be impossible to bring up , given their coaching situation. They have SLC and Nebelhorn..( and I think they have the makings of an excellent FD ) and they, too, have many months to slave and polish , and bring out more expression.

    Just as far as programs go, for the FDs .. I like P/I's best, followed by O/W.. G/P's least, and there would be room for R/H to sandwich in there , depending on how theirs shapes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipslidin View Post
    After all, they always could 'beat' Weaver/Poje in Canada.
    ETA: They were remarkably close in last year's episode, stay tuned.
    Hmmmmmm, I don't think so. I really doubt SC would be that dumb to promote an unaccomplished team internationally over a team knocking on the door of the world podium.
    When W/P got edged out by C/P at the canadian nationals, W/P were still deemed only a potential 10-20 ranked team in the world. Today is a diffferent story. W/P development overall the last 2 years has left me stunned and the judges didn't hold back for sure.

    And I am totally in line with what Northern just said, G/P have yet to skate in front of an international panel, there we will get a better measurement of how their program will be assesed.
    Their program as a whole is underwhelming, Paul Poirier used to have a lot better programs with Vanessa.

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    But lower marks, if I recall. I hope I'm wrong, but I see no limit to Skate Canada's demonstrated and potential dumbness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipslidin View Post
    If anyone would like to take a look at Skate Canada's website, you will find it full to overflowing with Gilles/ Poirier promotion, NOT our first or second team.
    Where on the SC site are you seeing an "overflowing" of promotion? I could only find one photo, taken at the Thomas Sabo partnership announcement - Toronto-based national team members at an event held in Toronto. Also on the homepage, three photos each of V/M and Chan (not including their images on the homepage wallpaper), a photo of Orser, and a shot promoting the Canskate program. Other images depict Lacoste, D/R and more Canskate. No sign of them on the 30-second Worlds promo video either.

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    Did you miss the banner for the Summer Skates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipslidin View Post
    Did you miss the banner for the Summer Skates?
    Where?

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    Well, I guess you missed it, but never mind, my point was that I thought it was far too much for a team with no international experience, and just one year together.
    I don't give it too much weight, but one of their fans, on another board, has boldly stated that Gilles and Poirier have been 'selected' by Skate Canada as the 'next ones'. Another of their fans has defended the practice on the same board. My gag reflex is activated when Skate Canada tries to shove one of their selections down my throat, partly because they lack subtlety, and partly because they are very often wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipslidin View Post
    Well, I guess you missed it, but never mind, my point was that I thought it was far too much for a team with no international experience, and just one year together.
    I don't give it too much weight, but one of their fans, on another board, has boldly stated that Gilles and Poirier have been 'selected' by Skate Canada as the 'next ones'. Another of their fans has defended the practice on the same board. My gag reflex is activated when Skate Canada tries to shove one of their selections down my throat, partly because they lack subtlety, and partly because they are very often wrong.
    Okay, I'll take your word for it that G/P's photo was used on the banner. I just don't agree that it constitutes "full to overflowing with Gilles/ Poirier promotion" to use their image in promoting a summer competition that they were participating in. To me, it makes sense, especially when you consider the amount of interest/discussion this team has generated, both positive and negative. It certainly keeps people talking about skating! I think it would be misleading to use images of V/M and/or W/P to promote a summer comp when, to the best of my knowledge, they weren't even registered for the event. Just my humble opinion...

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    Well just my two cents here..Gilles/Poirier have been mentioned in a couple of IceNetwork articles...where you wouldn't necessarily think of them as the first obvious choice...so I would have to agree with slipslidin that Gilles/Poirier have had a nice push from Skate Canada....but I have an open mind to acknowledge that G/P have improved but let's see what the international panels do with them since there are evident weakness' with this team...

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