I'm not a Chinese national, I still don't want to see a talent like Han Yan squandered. I think he's ready for seniors, and would benefit from it. I don't get what the Chinese fed is doing. It's not like they have a particularly deep men's field where only a few can get opportunities and resources.
Ultimately, regardless of country, eligible skaters are competing in a rather paternalistic system, in which many decisions and opportunities are out of their control and disproportionate to their own achievements. I don't see why skaters being slighted and ignored under one federation makes it OK for another federation to do it to some other skater. The baseline level of acceptable treatment of these athletes isn't the very worst one.
I do think as it is currently done, PCScoring seriously undervalues artistry, performance ability and musicality. Perhaps, behind the scenes, judges will get some severe memos reeducating them in this regard. In which case, Chan may see his PCS drop back to Earth and Takahashi would get a serious boost (and deservedly so).
From Joshua Farris' site:
I've read this same paragraph for at least two years and I'm guessing his training costs may have gone up. And he is still a Junior. But he probably saves on his costs because he trains in his hometown.As Josh rises in the rankings, the cost of his training also escalates, and is currently around $70,000 a year. He receives funding through the New England Amateur Skating Foundation and the US Athletic Foundation, which are both made possible through donations. Read below for information on how to make a donation to Josh's training.
As I posted earlier, I envision much success for Joshua, both nationally and internationally.
My point is Yan's performance is very close to Song if not better. And if Yan competes in senior GPs this season, he would have similar chance to medal as Song does. But if Yan competes in JGP, he would have 90 percent chance to get three more junior golds for Chinese federation. I can understand Chinese fed.'s decision to let Yan stays junior, but cannot agree. According to Chinese fed.'s reaction to Song's GP medals, senior medal obviously weighs more than junior gold, but they just don't want to take any risk.
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re: Han Yan/Joshua Farris
It's a calculated risk. The fact is, if they skate junior this season on the GP circuit, but have a wicked Nationals, they can go to 4CC/Worlds/WTT. However, if they skate senior, they cannot go to junior Worlds. That two-way street has closed (I hereby dub it the Ten-Han rule, given the prediliction of Denis Ten and Sui/Han to skate both. And I do think S/H in particular were a reason for this rule). The downside for the skater is that there is the risk of being seen as junior when/if they eventually get to seniors that season, but I don't think that's a longterm risk. The federation, on the other hand, preserves the opportunity to send someone to both junior and senior worlds (provided they haven't competed on the senior circuit, they can compete on the junior circuit) if necessary - preservation of JGP slots, more JW slots, etc.
ImaginaryPogue, maybe that is the reasoning of the Federations (although I'm inclined to think Farris is held back because the US has a much deeper men's field). But it's a pretty silly one. First of, it's only junior competitions, the spots for them aren't that important. Second of all, forcing a proven junior competitor like Joshua or Han to stay at that level of competition means that they take up a spot another junior skater could use. This negates the spots they already earned. It makes much more sense to let them graduate, so up and coming junior skaters from their countries could take advantage of those hard-earned spots and get a chance to succeed on their own merit.
Tuktamisheva, Lipniskaya, Shelepen, Radionova,
Davankova/Deputat, Stolbova/Klimov, Bazarova/Larionov,
Gachinsky and Plushenko, considering his new approach.
I think Gachinski and Lipniskaya will be very interesting this year!
If Gachinski manages to stay on his feet as he did last year at Euro 2012, he will surpass many elite skaters including Chan but not Plushenko.
And no one will surpass Plushenko next year and at Oly, if he manages continue to stay on his feet and be healthy.
^ who has won controversialy besides Tara? I didnt see their names in the robbery thread.
Sorry I m lazy to look, is Radionova entering the JGP??? The time has come?
^^ She's supposed to. Now that all Russian wondababies enter senior circuit, Russian federation will have to put her on the list.
I (mostly) agree. Chan is my favorite skater, but if he and his advisors/coaches could not forsee the backlash from his skating the way he did at Nice, he and they need to take a course on human relations (perhaps Dale Carnegies's How to Make Friends and Influence People). The booing was still wrong and very uncouth (made me feel horrible listening to it while watching the broadcast), but it should have been forseeable. Audience reaction should never be determinative of score because that means that the audience basically determines, on any given day, the factors which determine score. But afterward, the powers that be should always be reviewing what happened, and how they can make the situation better and audience reaction like that is certainly a wake-up call for at least consideration.
Chan did receive a proper score (I think, but I was only able to figure it out after watching and re-watching the skate to see why the judges did what they did). That having been said:
For the good of the sport, we really have to question whether it is right that a skater can happily flush artistry down the toilet (I write that because he sure looked happy after his performance at Nice), concentrate on technical scoring provisions, and not only be confident of still winning, but actually win. That loophole need be closed. Chan can be artistic. He is as good or better than anyone at artistry when he puts his mind to it. He chose not to be, or seemingly even to care, at Nice. He will have no trouble adjusting. (He is the best!)
But do close the loophole. I want to see PC bring out his artistry.