07-18-2012, 07:24 AM
Oda has 2 GP spots: SC and CoR. I heard he’s in a good form, and I’m looking forward to his comeback. Schultheiss doesn’t have a GP spot. I miss him whenever I watch Majorov skating.
Originally Posted by snowflake
I don’t know about the Chinese federation, but the JSF is not as generous as you may think. It doesn’t cover all the expenses of every junior champion, and not even some world famous senior skaters. Suzuki’s funding was cut immediately after her less-than-stellar 2010-2011 season, even though she was already pretty famous and popular back then.
Originally Posted by Serious Business
And Hanyu received very limited funding from the JSF after he won the WJC gold medal in 2010 and even after he won the 4CC silver medal in 2011. He could only afford to go to Russia twice to receive training and choreography from Bestemianova & Bobrin this past season—about 2-3 weeks in summer and 2 weeks in winter. And he stayed in a very small basement room so short and narrow that it was a bit difficult for him to stretch out his legs. He would like to train abroad more, but he’s not from a wealthy family, so he had no choice. His funding was increased only after he podiumed at the senior worlds, so finally he has this chance to challenge abroad. The JSF is somewhat similar to the USFS, and skaters need to earn certain level of financial support by demonstrating how successful they are. Japan has strict standard for evaluating how successful skaters are, and sometimes one would need to even podium at worlds to get recognition.
I think ImaginaryPogue might have meant that when federations considered whether to send Farris and Yan to senior GP or to JGP in May, they could not foresee that the rule would not come into effect in June. There was hot discussion about the Denis Ten rule in May, and many people thought it would come into effect immediately. Federations did not want to take the risk.
Originally Posted by yousunny
If there were no hot discussion about the Denis Ten rule, then Farris and Yan could repeat what Rippon did in 2008-2009—he skated senior on the GP circuit, and when he didn’t do well at Nationals, he went back to JWC. Problems could arise when GP lists had to be submitted before the ISU Congress, and Farris and Yan became unfortunate sufferers.
TBH, I prefer watching Farris, Yan, and Schultheiss skating on the senior GP circuit. I think they’re more interesting to watch than Majorov and Voronov, both of whom have 2 GP spots.
07-18-2012, 08:48 AM
Rising skaters (in my view)
Ross Miner. Among the least heralded senior men, despite an increasingly impressive competitive record. I feel there's a lot of upside to Ross's skating. His best attribute is undoubtedly his steadiness and consistency; however, he is showing an increasing ability to connect with audiences. I'd like to see him on the World team this year; I think he has a real shot at making it.
Denis Ten. I think he's a little underrated. When you look at his skating, he really has all the elements--speed, great jumps, crisp positions. There's a ton of potential there, and it started to come out last season. His marks indicate the judges are prepared to give him good PCS once the technical elements are there. A good sign for him.
Jason Brown. Oh my goodness, seeing him for the first time at Nationals this year . . . he took my breath away. The talent he has can't be ignored. I'm hoping/expecting to see true greatness from him over the next 6 years. I say 6 because he's obviously not going to be a factor in Sochi; almost certainly won't even make the team. But 2018 will hopefully be the right timeframe for him.
The ladies field is always so exhaustively discussed that there's not much more to add. However, I will mention one skater:
Kexin Zhang. I think she could surprise us over the next 6 years. What I find interesting is she's already quite solid and consistent technically--which not many ladies are right now--plus she seems to be a strong competitor. And her basic line and positions are not terrible by any means. She just needs better packaging and more time to develop artistically. Because she's Chinese, she will get that time and support. The Chinese federation expects its athletes to have long careers, so I have little doubt they will continue to support and encourage Zhang's training. A key question might be if they will allow her to train abroad for a while. I think this would benefit her.
Weaver/Poje. They just continue to improve substantially year by year. I would not be surprised to see them on the podium at Worlds this year.
Cappellini/Lanotte. This past season was a big statement for them. Honestly, I thought they were out of it after the post-Olympic season, but they certainly came back strong last year. The decision to train part-time with Shpilband is an excellent indicator that they mean to build on this success, rather than sitting still. If their programs this year are good, I could see them start to challenge for the top spot at Europeans.
Yu/Jin. We all know the top senior pairs, but of the more up-and-coming junior pairs, this team has impressed me the most. Their technical ability and pairs quality seem promising, although they obviously have a long way to go to develop. A bit worrisome that they didn't get any senior GP assignments this year. Hopefully this doesn't signal problems in their training.
07-18-2012, 09:15 AM
People need to grow up , get a life and move on
He injured his right knee since world and it's still in recovering process, hopefully it will be fine before the season start.
Originally Posted by seniorita
I don't understand why Lakeside try to connected the fact that Han Yan got financial support from Chinese fed, get free training and has luxury item with whether he should complete in Sr gran Prix or not.
I don't understand the logic here.
Even if he is richest men in the world, if he deserve to compete in Senior then he deserve it.
Last edited by treeloving; 07-18-2012 at 09:17 AM.
07-18-2012, 10:04 AM
Like subtlety in ice dancing
When Yuzuru performed at Dreams on Ice in June, he had no trouble firing off his most difficult jumps, including a quad toe during his intro. Of course, that doesn't mean everything is fine. He could still be injured and be in pain. He could be exerting himself more than he should. But, more likely, it could mean he's going to be fine.
Originally Posted by treeloving
On the other hand, Patrick Chan was the one who looked pretty out of it jump-wise at DOI. He had trouble doing anything more difficult than a 3toe. But I wouldn't worry too much. It's just a show, and he has months to work out whatever problems he has (if he actually has any) before the major competitions.
07-18-2012, 10:05 AM
Maybe it's risky.
Originally Posted by doctor2014
But actually China already has two very decent junior men skaters besides Yan. He Zhang ranked 6th in his first Junior world. Boyang Jin ranked only behind Yan and Song in National Winter Game. They can secure the JGP spots next season, although Chinese federation never use them up.
Different from juniors, China doesn't have a deep field in senior man's skating. Song and Yan are the only two whose personal best are above 202. The possible third skater in Cup of China has a PB of 170.
If Yan cannot go to senior world, he doesn't have to go back to JW. He can get points in 4CC which worths more.
Last edited by yousunny; 07-18-2012 at 11:58 AM.
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