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    Tarasova update

    http://www.usovaplatov.com/news.htm

    I'm beginning to think that the split with Sasha was more than Tarasova's health problems.

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    You mean you bought that excuse in the first place? I expected this announcement, but I am surprised it has come so soon. It really makes her credibility look bad. She was ill enough to leave her prized pupil so close to Nationals, yet has recovered enough in just a week so she can make plans to return to the US? Give me a break. The general puplic does not need a reason for the breakup, but if there is going to be one given, at least make it somewhat believable.

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    I don't think many people bought into Sasha and Robin's version. Not saying TT is right but there's more to it.
    Last edited by lavender; 01-02-2004 at 02:48 PM.

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    Originally posted by Lucy25
    She was ill enough to leave her prized pupil so close to Nationals, yet has recovered enough in just a week so she can make plans to return to the US? Give me a break. The general puplic does not need a reason for the breakup, but if there is going to be one given, at least make it somewhat believable.
    I don't want to point fingers or start arguments, but if Sasha can say:

    "With this one week already behind us we've already made a lot of improvements," Cohen said.

    as quoted from the USFSA site in a thread on this board, why should it be any less believable that Tatiana's health can't improve at the same rate?

    Just a "what's good for the goose is sauce for the gander" thought.

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    I've said it in another post on this subject, but as a similar statement was made, I'll say it again.

    "She was ill enough to leave her prized pupil so close to Nationals....."

    Um, who's to say that Sasha WAS Tatiana's "prized pupil"? Maybe she never has been, or hasn't been since the apparant undercurrent with Sasha's mother this year? Maybe Tatiana sees a greater potential and future in Griazev, and is preferring to deal with him (and his apparantly mellower attitude/family) than Sasha? Or is that too unbelievable? (No, I am NOT at all a Sasha fan, and don't anticipate I ever will be).

    I also agree with whoever pointed out that if Sasha's performances can improve SOOOOO dramatically in one week with Wagner, my bet is on Tatiana's health could improve equally dramatically in one week AWAY from certain stressors!

    My wishes for good luck and good health go to Tatiana and Griazev in this one!

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    What gets me (from the article as written), TT will be working with Andrei (Griazev) and preparing him for the worlds.

    Is this wunderkind Griazev that will be much better than Plushenko, Abt, Klimkin, and Timochenko? The Russian Nationals aren't till January 12th. (It's not nice to jump to conclusions, but did she go to Moscow to fix it for Girazev to get on the podium?)

    Just a thought.

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    Originally posted by Kasey
    I've said it in another post on this subject, but as a similar statement was made, I'll say it again.

    "She was ill enough to leave her prized pupil so close to Nationals....."

    Um, who's to say that Sasha WAS Tatiana's "prized pupil"? Maybe she never has been, or hasn't been since the apparant undercurrent with Sasha's mother this year? Maybe Tatiana sees a greater potential and future in Griazev, and is preferring to deal with him (and his apparantly mellower attitude/family) than Sasha? Or is that too unbelievable? (No, I am NOT at all a Sasha fan, and don't anticipate I ever will be).

    I also agree with whoever pointed out that if Sasha's performances can improve SOOOOO dramatically in one week with Wagner, my bet is on Tatiana's health could improve equally dramatically in one week AWAY from certain stressors!
    Is that too unbelievable? Yes, I think so. *I* believe Sasha was TT's prized pupil, and the way the media made their relatiionship out confirms my belief. I do not believe that Sasha's improvements under Wagner have been as great as she is playing out any more than I believe TT's "poor health" has improved. But that's just *my* opinion.

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    The American media also portrays all male figure skaters as gay, that doesn't mean it's true.

    The world would be in a sorry state if the media was actually telling the truth.

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    Originally posted by Joesitz
    What gets me (from the article as written), TT will be working with Andrei (Griazev) and preparing him for the worlds.

    Is this wunderkind Griazev that will be much better than Plushenko, Abt, Klimkin, and Timochenko? The Russian Nationals aren't till January 12th. (It's not nice to jump to conclusions, but did she go to Moscow to fix it for Girazev to get on the podium?)

    Just a thought.

    Joe
    Abt has been inconsistant for some time and may not be a "sure thing" for the podium at Russian Nationals. Timchenko has not had the results this year he had last year. I'm not sure what Klimkin's injury and coaching situation is right now. A friend of mine was at the two JGP events that Andrei won and at the JGP Final where he was placed second by a fairly slim margin and has some very nice things to say about his skating.

    If we assume Plushenko will take the gold, there are stilll two other spots left on the podium. Andrei may not be a "long shot" at Russian Nationals. Tatiana may very well be spending her time where she thinks it will be best served.

    Just another thought.

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    Tarasova update

    Thank you for that link! I can't believe that stuff with Tatiana! I also haven't seen that website with Usova & Platov before! Sorry about changing the subject, but I miss seeing them!

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    Originally posted by Joesitz
    What gets me (from the article as written), TT will be working with Andrei (Griazev) and preparing him for the worlds.

    Is this wunderkind Griazev that will be much better than Plushenko, Abt, Klimkin, and Timochenko? The Russian Nationals aren't till January 12th. (It's not nice to jump to conclusions, but did she go to Moscow to fix it for Girazev to get on the podium?)

    Just a thought.

    Joe
    Well, based on more or less neutral men singles reports I have read from Russian Nationals, the winners have mostly been right. Many people though thought that Ilia Kulik should have been the winner against Urmanov in season 1995-1996 already..

    There has been though lots of opinions about the silver and bronze medals. The impression I have gotten is that those have sometimes gone to skaters which the Federation believes to skate well e.g. in Europeans and not to skaters who actually would have earned the medal in question at Nationals. (Refering e.g. to Abt in 1997-1998 Nationals...).

    Does anyone know which might be the condition of Abt and Klimkin nowadays? Klimkin lost his long-time coach, and that surely has a lot of influence on his skating. On the other hand I would be interested to see something new from him, to see if he is really capable of interpreting the music. It has been too much the same, in my opinion.

    Poor Abt, I have understood that many years he kind of suffered because the Federation did not appreciate his coach, and now he has been working with Zhulin for some years, and I have the feeling that his skating (at least the jumping ability) has gone backwards with Zhulin.

    Marjaana
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    Originally posted by Tonichelle
    The American media also portrays all male figure skaters as gay, that doesn't mean it's true.

    The world would be in a sorry state if the media was actually telling the truth.
    Why?

    I have never heard anyone with the opinion that it would be better for us if the press were actually lying. Could you please explain your reasoning behind this?


    Maybe she never has been, or hasn't been since the apparant undercurrent with Sasha's mother this year?

    Any rumours about Sasha's mother seems to have come from the same place as the stories of "TT's failing health, so she must return to Russia" Griazev had stated in an interview just before the GPF that TT was going to be at Russia Nationals with him, so it seems she hadn't planned on being at US Nats with Sasha for quite some time. Now that it would seem she also never really planned on staying in Russia, I can't see where we should believe anything about Sasha that comes from the TT camp. And that includes stories about her mother being trouble. Since all we had ever heard before was that her mother was a caring involved parent. I'm not particularly a Sasha fan either, I just think it would be awful if her mother got some unfair rep. that was planted by someone else that is know to manipulate the media.

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    Don't you just love how people interpret things?

    Anyway, I like Sasha, and I've had a hard time believing things about her mother getting too involved, etc. But that's me; I guess I'll always have a hard time believing things I would never do. From what I've seen, Sasha's mom was always there when I Sasha at a few practices, but I didn't think much of it, since I thought that someone had to drive her to and from the rink, etc. I was shocked to find out Sasha's no longer with Tarasova, but I didn't come to like Sasha, because she was with Tarasova, so I'm hoping for and wishing her the best (give them hell at Nats!). Maybe Tarasova wasn't what the doctor ordered, after all.

    I like Tarasova, too, but never bought "I'm going to stay in Russia and withdrew from active work," sorry! I've been just sitting patiently and waiting for her return. That wasn't exactly the first time she said something like that. She is quite an emotional person, who sometimes says things in the heat of the moment. It's like people say "I'm going to kill you!", and you really don't expect them to do it. Anyway, I'll spare you my theory about what happened in the Tarasova camp. We have enough of those, already.

    As for Joe's conspiracy theory, let's play: Piseev said that only first two places will get a ticket to Worlds. The person who's in third place may or may not go to Worlds. If they decide someone else has better chances at Worlds, they'll choose someone else. The plot thickens! No one's going to challenge Plushenko. I don't know about Griazev's chances against Abt or Klimkin, everything depends on their quads (or lack thereof), and the rest of their jumps. And I wouldn't count out others, like Shubin. If Griazev's fourth, I'll be happy enough (but I'm hoping for third). We'll see. Maybe he'll decide to debut his quad there.

    As for Griazev being a wunderkind. Well, like I already wrote in another thread, I still remember that Mishin said he's going to be next Plushenko. A few days ago I read an old interview of Mishin and when answering the question if he was ever wrong about his students - with his usual candor and self-confidence - he said: Never. So take it what you will from it.
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    I must say that, for some reason, I've been quite enjoying the whole brouhaha about the whole thing.

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    Windspirit, is that a picture of Alexei Yagudin as a baby, in your signature?

    MM

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    Originally posted by Mathman
    Windspirit, is that a picture of Alexei Yagudin as a baby, in your signature?
    Yes. I didn't have one where he's sucking his thumb, lol (if you read it my sig).

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