08-03-2012, 12:38 AM
08-03-2012, 12:59 AM
Like subtlety in ice dancing
"[Gabrielle Douglas] performed beautifully today," Komova said during the post-meet interviews. "And I believe that she earned her gold medal."
That's the exact quote.
Well, I made it all the way through NBC's gymnastics coverage this time! And it wasn't totally useless. The NBC commentators did point out, all gossip-like, that Mustafina shrugged off her coach's consoling pat after she did her beam routine (the one where she fell off). I think I saw that on the European feed, it just never registered that's what it was. She wanted some time alone, and she's also not afraid to say no to her coach. I respect her for that.
The NBC commentators also let on what seems to be the strategy for Aly Raisman and her coach: she'd do the same floor routine she did at the team finals, get the same score, which would be enough to put her over Mustafina. But of course, no two routine is the same, and judges don't judge the same. They gave her a lower score, enough to tie her with Mustafina, who won on the tie-breaker. This explains why Raisman didn't put in that front layout that would've won her the bronze had she done it without going out of bounds. And if she did go out of bounds, she'd still have been in 4th place anyway. Hindsight is 20/20, and that's painful clarity. That maybe why Raisman looked rather pained after finding out her final placement. I hope Aly doesn't take it to heart, though. It's only a bronze! At the floor finals, where I'm sure the front layout is going back in, she could win a gold!
Unlike the European feed, NBC, of course, showed Gabby's immediate reaction to finding out she won. She hugged her coach in tearful, overwhelmed joy. Then they cut to Komova, who also hugged her coach, but out of seeming despair and the need for consolation. It was a very dramatic and poignant contrast. I also noticed that Mustafina may have been feeling a bit awkward. She seems to be very happy about her bronze win (with all her injuries, getting on that podium is achievement enough for Mustafina, I bet). But she didn't want to seem too happy when her teammate was so sad.
I was also pleasantly surprised that NBC not only showed the 4 routines of each of the top 4 gymnasts, but threw a few ones of Deng Linlin. Although, it is a bit weird considering Linlin only wound up in 6th, and I don't think NBC showed anything of 5th place finisher Sandra Raluca Izbasa.
Last edited by Serious Business; 08-03-2012 at 01:02 AM.
08-03-2012, 01:36 AM
Gabby Douglas did the best that she could do, so a big congrats to her.
I'm not an expert either but I think Viktoria Komova should have won. I think it's her style and her look on all four events that I prefer. Douglas' floor routine looks juniorish in comparison.
On another note, had Jordyn Weiber competed in the all-around, she probably would have won the bronze.
08-03-2012, 04:35 AM
I don't know what to make of Deng Linlin. She looks to be about ten years old. She's apparently twenty? Okay.
Mustafina reminds me a bit of Khorkina, who would scold (I think I recall) her coach. We in the U.S. grew up with tales of domineering Eastern bloc coaches who ruled their submissive gymnasts with an iron hand, and so seeing Khorkina arguing with her coach a refreshing contradiction.
08-03-2012, 08:04 AM
Bona Fide Member
I don't think there is any way in the present scoring system to take things like that into account. Is that right? As I understand it, the only thing that counts is the difficulty of the tricks you attempt, and then there are deductions for mistakes. (?)
Originally Posted by Bruin714
For the once-every=four-years fan, I think that gymnastics has the same problem as figure skating does. It is not possible for the audience to know why the winner won.
In this contest, it came down to the last floor routine by Komova. The announcer said something like, she needs a 15.385 to win. She performed perfectly. Did her routine deserve a 15.3 (she lost) or a 15.4 (she won)? There is no way for a casual fan to have an opinion, no matter how much that fan may like one performance or the other.
08-03-2012, 08:21 AM
Not to argue against you, Bruin714, but to me, in a sport where almost everyone looks like a child, and no one does floor routines that really express the music (they have no time--they're always running at top speed or flipping themselves like pancakes), I didn't notice that one athlete was any more or less juniorish than another. Certainly Komova has some elegance on the floor, but no one is a Joannie Rochette or YuNa Kim.
But as for the judging system, I'm not sure I've ever understood why one gymnast wins and another doesn't. The points differences are often even tinier than the athletes. I'm just happy when "my" gymnast wins and disappointed when he/she doesn't. Last night, I think I would have been happy either way, but I can't deny that I'm hugely thrilled that Gabby won.
08-03-2012, 09:39 AM
I think the scoring is generally easier to understand in gymnastics vs skating. At least with gymnastics, they state what the highest possible value is and then deduct points. It also seems like there is a collaborative review of the faults since the scores take longer when there are more issues to review and they use video review a lot. The NBC commentator has pointed out bent knees in the air, legs that aren't held close together in the air. All these little details that less experienced viewers don't see except in slo-mo. All we really notice is how hard it seems, amplitude and speed and the landing. Overall, I think it's easier to gain an overall understanding of gymnastics scoring vs skating. Total points from all apparatus wins - that's the only thing the two scoring systems have in common IMHO.
Originally Posted by Mathman
08-03-2012, 09:56 AM
Bona Fide Member
I am actually not in love with Komova's routine. Her teammates are actually more highly regarded on floor, although obviously Komova's changing that. Here's Russia's Ksensia Afansyeva. She's the reigning world champ on floor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkyZFma8e_A
Originally Posted by Olympia
And I can easily see the judges throwing Russia a bone and rewarded Afansyeva gold if she as a little more difficulty there, just like they did at worlds.
Last edited by bekalc; 08-03-2012 at 10:12 AM.
08-03-2012, 09:57 AM
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