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    Advice on Axel jumps

    Hi everyone! I was hoping to get some advice on jumping Axels. For some reason I have always had serious trouble with the Axel. All other single jumps- no problem. Double jumps, still not perfect, but I feel comfortable trying them. But the Axel jump always feels so uncomfortable, I'm not sure if for technical reasons or if there's just some kind of psychological blockage. I know this is a pretty common problem, so do any of you have tips for me?
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    Need more information. What specifically feels uncomfortable about it? The information you provide as to what your issues is so vague that no tips can be provided. Where and with what specifically are you struggling?

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    In terms of being afraid to try the axel, due lots of waltz jumps to get used to the forward takeoff as that is usually what makes people uncomfortable about this jump. Otherwise I need more information about the jump.

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    The forward take off doesn't feel uncomfortable when I do the Waltz jump. I believe it is mostly fear of under rotating and therefor lose control in landing. I can land them off ice, but also, only if I have enough space and there's nothing around for me to slip on (I have to be sure of that in my mind in order to feel confidant enough). I always feel like I might not complete the rotation and land funny or fall. That makes me not give it all I've got on take-off (because I'm too scared), which clearly and ironically results in exactly what I fear of!
    I guess what I really need is advice on how to improve my rotation ability in the air - if I could complete 2-2.5 revolutions in the air easily (by practicing off ice) then one and a half would probably not be so scary (on ice)...
    Thanks again.

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    Noga L., welcome to Golden Skate! Post long & often!

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    Is there any possibility you could try them in a harness?

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    I have two youtube clips that might help.

    The first is Daisuke Takahashi doing a perfect 3A in slow motion which helped me better understand the takeoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV48rUTB-5g

    And the second is Michael Weiss teaching an axel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFGLG...feature=relmfu

    Also videotape yours and slow it down with windows movie maker. Then you'll be able to see where you're going wrong, that did wonders for my double toe.

    Remember to keep your shoulders and hips open.

    Good luck!!!

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    No harness...

    Oh my god, Michael Weiss makes the single Axel look like just a little hop, kind of what a Waltz jump is for me. He hardly even crosses his legs to rotate it.
    I wish I could jump that high! Am I supposed to build some more muscle or is it more about technique?

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    Totally technique. Sounds like the technique you've been taught isn't working for you. Can you discuss with your coach?

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    For off ice training to increase rotation practice jumps straight up and down, jumps with a hip twist at the top of the jump and then jumps that rotate, initiating rotation from the hip at the top of the jump starting at 1/2 a rotation and moving up in half increments as they improve. It does sound like it's the fwd take off that is the mental block as you say you no fear of the double jumps, so I still say working on the waltz jump is a good idea. Work on getting it high and across with a deep take off knee to better simulate the axel take off. Off ice and on are totally different things, and it's not that uncommon to have the jump off ice before you have it on. Defiantly talk to your coach about how you feel when you enter the jump, because someone who can see you make the attempt is much better positioned to make suggestions than someone online.

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    Thank you so much.

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    Try to get your off-ice axel higher and rotating faster, because those big, heavy skates make it hard to pull in as much or jump as high on the ice. I landed my first axel a year after first landing it on the floor, and I'll never forget the day I landed it. I first did axels off-ice and noticed I was rotating more and faster than I ever had, so that gave me extra confidence. Then, once I was on the ice, someone advised me to really slow it down so that I had almost no speed on the LFO takeoff edge. So I slowed it down and I told myself I was doing an axel on the floor. . . then I landed it fully backward! And then another one, and another one.

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    thanks! that's sooo true the skates are really heavy and restricting

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    One of the things that really worked for me was working on waltz jump/loop combos and doing a waltz jump and then a back spin as soon as you land... it really gives you the feeling you need.

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    Waltz-backspin. Backspin-hop-backspin. Backspin-hop-check-out.

    Other than that, all I can say is that for me, as an adult, it took me almost a decade to get a proper axel with my legs crossed in the air (not side by side). To this day, I still have trouble with it. Yes, it's scary. You have to just wear pads and make yourself do it.

    Doing it from a standstill (for me) is a lot more scary than doing it moving. Doing it off ice has never helped me and increases my risk of a twisted ankle or slamming into furniture.

    I do not mean to be negative, it's just a very very hard jump to do and it's normal to be scared and struggle with it. I think most people do.

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