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    Rocker vs Counter?

    Hey guys, I've been trying to learn the names of all the moves in the field in skating and I've been having trouble differentiating Rockers and Counters. I have read the definitions in the ISU handbook, but I was wondering if anyone could help me maybe with videos. Thanks a bunch!

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    The counters are the second and third moves on the current US novice Moves in the Field test; the rockers are the first and second moves on the current junior test.

    If you search youtube for those moves/tests, you'll probably find several examples of each, of varying quality of both skating and video.

    The tests changed in September 2010. Those moves didn't change in ways that matter, but their placement in the sequence of moves did; you'd have to fast forward past more other moves to find them if you find a video that posted the whole test.

    I'll give the first examples of each that I found with a quick search.

    Counters: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHHGnv-Cfl4&t=0m54s[/url]

    Rockers: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3PRpb3HiDw&t=0m33s[/url]

    You'll notice that on the first turns of the respective moves (forward outside), the counters point into the new circle, whereas the rockers point into the old circle, if that helps. Look for the difference in upper body twist.

    It's hard to find videos of full school figures -- TV coverage of competitions that held them would at most give highlights, often only showing a small part of each figure.

    Here's a video of a counter figure in full: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVOKNPNeqZI&t=0m32s[/url]


    You'll probably want to get familiar with how the forward turns work before worrying about the backward ones.

    (I'm not at that skill level myself and never will be, but I can attempt or in some cases at least fake all the forward turns in isolation.)

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    Thanks a bunch
    And yeah I'm trying to learn all the moves so I can start figuring out why certain footwork sequences get certain levels. Not to be an actual judge or anything but just so I can scream wuzrobbed with more authority!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Thanks a bunch
    And yeah I'm trying to learn all the moves so I can start figuring out why certain footwork sequences get certain levels. Not to be an actual judge or anything but just so I can scream wuzrobbed with more authority!
    For that purpose, you might want to look at the turns done badly to see why they might not get credit. Skaters more often lose levels because they don't have clear entrance and exit edges on these turns than because they didn't plan the right combination (although this time of year when the rules change they might not have rechoreographed accordingly yet).

    I haven't looked closely at the latest tech panel guidelines for step sequences. It would be best if you could find a technical specialist or controller to explain what they're looking for.

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    From the drawing, see how the two lobes of the compulsory figure are connected by a rocker
    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocker_turn[/url]

    Now watch Scott Hamilton do a 3 lobe rocker compulsory figure:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU9Hy1upUr0&feature=player_detailpage#t=46 6s[/url]

    Here's a drawing of how a counter works:
    Counter
    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_turn[/url]

    Kira Ivanova, Jill Trenary, Katarina Witt and Debi Thomas skating figures with left forward inside counters. See how the counter lets you change to the next circle.
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-yn9XYq0k[/url]

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    A counter is based off a bracket. (Ex. you go from outside to outside)

    A rocker is based off a three-turn. (Ex. you go from outside to inside)

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