Scoring Requirements (TES requirements for ISU Championships, and new GP Score reqs)
Debate has been raging over at FSU about the new TES requirements and how damaging they'll be to less deep federations. Indeed, the smaller federations were very shortsighted when they voted to remove the preliminaries, as the ISU Council responded with these new minimums. The basic consequence is that idea that all federations have one spot at Worlds in each discipline, regardless of how they placed the year prior, is a thing of the past. The new TES Minimums are as follows
ISU European and ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2013:
MEN SP 25,00 FS 45,00
LADIES SP 20,00 FS 36,00
PAIR SKATING SP 20,00 FS 36,00
ICE DANCE SD 18,00 FD 28,00
ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2013:
MEN SP 20,00 FS 40,00
LADIES SP 20,00 FS 35,00
PAIR SKATING SP 20,00 FS 30,00
ICE DANCE SD 17,00 FD 27,00
ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013:
MEN SP 35,00 FS 65,00
LADIES SP 28,00 FS 48,00
PAIR SKATING SP 28,00 FS 45,00
ICE DANCE SD 29,00 FD 39,00
Last edited by blue dog; 07-09-2012 at 04:13 PM.
It seems to me that this will make for a much smaller roster of competitors at Worlds. If countries such as, say, the Philippines can't qualify anyone in a discipline, but there's still a maximum of three that any country can send, and those spots are designated by the prior year's rankings, then the total number of skaters won't be adjusted by skaters from any of the stronger federations, isn't that so?
While I understand that the ISU wants to uphold certain standards, this is self-defeating, it seems to me. For one thing, how will skaters from weak federations ever gain international experience? For another, how will skating build an audience in countries that don't get to send skaters? Surely there's a better way to keep competitions to a high standard.
I am reminded of Chinese pairs coach Yao Bin's first trip to Worlds. He and his partner came in dead last. But it was the view of skating excellence that he got at that competition that galvanized him to build China's pairs program into the marvelous entity it later became. Would we have had Shen and Zhao without that early international effort by Yao Bin and his partner?
SkateFiguring took the violet pill
We have the GP series for the elites but World Championships and the Olympics should encompass the whole world to include all the best skaters every nation can produce. Things go in cycles. While the U.S. is lamenting the demise of figure skating's popularity, it is currently hot in Japan, likely to continue on to China and one day back in the USA. Meanwhile, the sport should be inclusive to encourage and nurture pioneering talents from smaller newer federations. We need more hands to pass the torch around to ensure its health and growth.
As the new rules stand, does each Team Event member have to meet the TES requirements individually or as a couple?
Last edited by Violet Bliss; 07-01-2012 at 08:09 PM.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
I have always enjoyed skaters from smaller federations at 4CCs and look forward to getting to see these skaters to improve in their own ways respectively each season. For instance Danielle Obrien & Gregory Merriman of Australia at 4CC was for me this past season, whose free dance to Glenn Miller medley I enjoyed and thought they progressed a lot under Pasquale and Anjelika!
Since skaters have to do both the team and individual event, I think the minimum TES rule will apply to both. However, we don't know at this point what the TES minimums will be for the Olympic season.
If the field for 2013 Worlds is severely depleted because so few skaters qualified, the ISU may have to rethink those values.
Is skating so crowded, so hugely popular, that we need to find ways to weed out skaters and fans? I don't think so.
At this point, it would be nice to attract new audiences and up-and-coming skaters. This policy does exactly the opposite.
I also don't like these kind of limitations, especially because countries with strong skaters aren't going to be able to send more athletes. So the net result is fewer skaters will be able to experience the magic of Worlds.
The change does address something that I don't like, which is when a marginal federation can send weak skaters on the strength of one athlete, when that athlete retires the following year. As an example, someone can win Worlds and if another teammate finishes just outside the top 10, they can send 3 skaters to next year's Worlds. If that World champion retires, then the federation can send 3 skaters who cannot compete for the top placements when stronger countries can send only 1 or 2. Yes, those countries cannot send more skaters if the World champion's country sends fewer, but at least there is some correlation between the strength of the current stable of skaters and whether they can go to Worlds.
A smaller roster is more cost effective in lots of ways... more average joes off the street are more apt to go to an event that is *maybe* 2 hours long instead of an entire day... with skaters they don't know/aren't elite...
Originally Posted by Olympia
that's the only thing I can think for the reasoning.
On the Ice
The List of Skaters/Couples Who Can Compete (for now) at Worlds 2013
Mae Berenice MEITE
Jessica DUBE / Sebastien WOLFE
Katherine BOBAK / Ian BEHARRY
Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Dylan MOSCOVITCH
Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD
Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS
Qing PANG / Jian TONG
Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN
Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN
Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES
Aliona SAVCHENKO / Robin SZOLKOWY
Mari VARTMANN / Aaron VAN CLEAVE
Maylin HAUSCH / Daniel WENDE
Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK
Narumi TAKAHASHI / Mervin TRAN
Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA / Alexei ROGONOV
Ekaterina PETAIKINA / Maxim KURDUYKOV
Katarina GERBOLDT / Alexander ENBERT
Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV
Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV
Vera BAZAROVA / Yuri LARIONOV
Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV
Caydee DENNEY / John COUGHLIN
Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR
Mary Beth MARLEY / Rockne BRUBAKER
Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE
Nicole ORFORD / Thomas WILLIAMS
Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR
Olesia KARMI / Max LINDHOLM
Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT
Tiffany ZAHORSKI / Alexis MIART
Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND
Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI
Shari KOCH / Christian NUECHTERN
TANJA KOLBE / STEFANO CARUSO
Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES
Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE
Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI
Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI
Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS
Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN
Anna YANOVSKAIA / Sergei MOZGOV
Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV
Ekaterina PUSHKASH / Jonathan GUERREIRO
Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO
Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV
Ksenia KOROBKOVA / Daniil GLEYKHENGAUZ
Valeria ZENKOVA / Valerie SINITSIN
Victoria SINITSINA / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN
Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitriy DUN
Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE
Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI
Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE
Alexandra ALDRIDGE / Daniel EATON
Wicked Yankee Girl
Thanks for compiling this!
On the Ice
Thanks for your hard work. Very enlightening.
The statistic about Canada's ladies brings a thought to mind. Suppose that Osmond is still the only Canadian lady with the baseline score by Worlds, and Phaneuf wins Nationals. Phaneuf can't be sent, and Osmond has to go, even if she comes in, say, fourth?
On the Ice
This Japanese sight has an amazing amount of results information all in one place.
So easy to find any ISU result at the click of a button!
leave no stone unturned
I want to ask sth, maybe naive but isn't the minimum score minimum enough to include skaters up and coming anyway? I mean 20 and 40 score is possible for them no? Or did sth else changed also in the rules and I ve missed it?skaters with less than 20, how many were there last worlds? Preliminaries aren't even aired on tv..
Last edited by seniorita; 07-04-2012 at 08:24 AM.