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Nebelhorn Trophy 2012

Violet Bliss

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
This is a shocker even for the most optimistic canadian fans. Let's hope she can keep her head straight and not get carried away by this successful international debut

Not a shocker for me. Kaetlyn loves performing and she trains in a huge mall with people watching all the time so nerves is not a problem. She is technically very strong. All she needs is some seasoning and maturity. But right now, young energetic programs work well for her. Kudos!
 

Mao88

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 9, 2011
VIDEOS SO FAR

SHORT DANCE

1. Nelli ZHIGANSHINA & Alexander GAZSI (GER) - 59.58
2. Madison CHOCK & Evan BATES (USA) - 56.97
3. Julia ZLOBINA & Alexei SITNIKOV (AZE) - 56.95
4. Ksenia MONKO & Kirill KHALIAVIN (RUS) - 54.92
5. Alexandra PAUL & Mitchell ISLAM (CAN) - 54.50
9. Ramona Elsener & Florain Roost (SUI) - 46.62

PAIRS COMPETITION

1. Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR & Maxim TRANKOV (RUS) - 196.55
Short Program, Short Program - 2nd Video, Free Skate, Free Skate - 2nd Video
2. Caydee DENNEY & John COUGHLIN (USA) - 178.90
Short Program
3. Vanessa JAMES & Morgan CIPRES (FRA) - 151.52
Short Program
4. Gretchen DONLAN & Andrew SPEROFF (USA) - 145.35
5. Daria POPOVA & Bruno MASSOT (FRA) - 132.68
WD Vera BAZAROVA & Yuri LARIONOV (RUS)
Short Program

MEN'S COMPETITION

1. Nobunari ODA (JPN) - 233.33
Short Program, Free Skate
2. Konstantin MENSHOV (RUS) - 212.94
Short Program, Free Skate
3. Keegan MESSING (USA) - 210.78
4. Stephen CARRIERE (USA) - 209.11
5. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 201.71
Short Program
6. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 199.98
7. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 198.39
Short Program
8. Ivan BARIEV (RUS) - 196.54
Short Program
10. Peter LIEBERS (GER) - 195.59
Short Program

LADIES SHORT PROGRAM

1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 58.48 2nd Video
2. Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN) - 55.68
3. Elena GLEBOVA (EST) - 54.26
4. Polina SHELEPEN (RUS) - 53.63
5. Nathalie WEINZIERL (GER) - 49.64
 

dorispulaski

Wicked Yankee Girl
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Country
United-States
I haven't found any yet :cry:

Meanwhile, Madison Chock & Evan Bates won the FD, and the overall title in Ice Dance at Nebelhorm: :points:

FD RESULTS
Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ SS TR PE CC IT Deduction
- StN.
1 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 90.82 46.28 44.54 7.36 7.21 7.50 7.61 7.61 0.00 #12
2 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 86.64 44.24 42.40 7.11 6.86 7.07 7.29 7.14 0.00 #14
3 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS 84.78 42.16 43.62 7.32 7.04 7.29 7.43 7.43 1.00 #15
4 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 83.42 41.62 41.80 6.96 6.71 7.11 7.18 7.07 0.00 #13
5 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 82.42 41.51 41.91 6.93 6.61 7.18 7.21 7.29 1.00 #11
6 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 78.17 39.13 40.04 6.64 6.54 6.71 6.79 6.79 1.00 #9
7 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 76.63 40.02 38.61 6.50 6.25 6.46 6.54 6.54 2.00 #10
8 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 72.43 37.92 34.51 5.79 5.54 5.82 5.89 5.86 0.00 #4
9 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 71.71 36.38 35.33 6.00 5.64 6.00 6.07 5.89 0.00 #6
10 Federica BERNARDI / Christopher MIOR ITA 70.99 39.82 31.17 5.25 5.04 5.29 5.29 5.21 0.00 #1
11 Charlotte AIKEN / Josh WHIDBORNE GBR 70.57 39.51 33.06 5.39 5.32 5.54 5.68 5.79 2.00 #7
12 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 69.76 34.99 35.77 5.89 5.82 6.00 6.18 6.04 1.00 #8
13 Allison REED / Vasili ROGOV ISR 64.78 34.24 31.54 5.25 5.11 5.25 5.50 5.29 1.00 #2
14 Emi HIRAI / Marien DE LA ASUNCION JPN 61.68 33.35 30.33 5.07 4.93 5.11 5.18 5.07 2.00 #5

SD RESULTS
1 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 59.58 31.08 28.50 7.04 6.89 7.04 7.29 7.29 0.00 #12
2 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 56.97 28.79 28.18 7.00 6.75 7.04 7.18 7.18 0.00 #2
3 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 56.95 29.93 27.02 6.79 6.57 6.75 6.75 6.86 0.00 #7
4 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS 54.92 27.56 28.36 7.07 6.96 7.07 7.21 7.11 1.00 #8
5 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 54.50 28.00 26.50 6.64 6.39 6.68 6.75 6.64 0.00 #9
6 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 54.44 29.20 25.24 6.36 6.14 6.29 6.36 6.36 0.00 #14
7 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 53.79 27.00 26.79 6.71 6.50 6.71 6.64 6.86 0.00 #15
8 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 47.73 25.43 22.30 5.61 5.43 5.61 5.64 5.57 0.00 #4
9 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 46.62 25.50 22.12 5.57 5.43 5.61 5.54 5.50 1.00 #6
10 Charlotte AIKEN / Josh WHIDBORNE GBR 46.12 26.08 20.04 5.11 4.89 5.00 5.04 5.00 0.00 #11
11 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 45.68 22.36 23.32 5.82 5.61 5.86 5.93 5.89 0.00 #13
12 Federica BERNARDI / Christopher MIOR ITA 43.90 23.37 20.53 5.11 4.93 5.11 5.25 5.21 0.00 #10
13 Allison REED / Vasili ROGOV ISR 42.54 22.28 20.26 5.07 4.96 5.00 5.11 5.14 0.00 #5
14 Emi HIRAI / Marien DE LA ASUNCION JPN 41.82 21.35 20.47 5.11 4.89 5.07 5.29 5.18 0.00 #3

OVERALL
1 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 147.79 2 1
2 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 143.59 3 2
3 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 142.00 1 5
4 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS 139.70 4 3
5 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 137.92 5 4
6 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 132.61 6 6
7 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 130.42 7 7
8 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 118.33 9 9
9 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 118.11 11 8
10 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 117.49 8 12
11 Charlotte AIKEN / Josh WHIDBORNE GBR 116.69 10 11
12 Federica BERNARDI / Christopher MIOR ITA 114.89 12 10
13 Allison REED / Vasili ROGOV ISR 107.32 13 13
14 Emi HIRAI / Marien DE LA ASUNCION JPN 103.50 14 14




Heekin-Canedy & Dun, Z&G, & Z&S got the minimum TES for both SD & FD and are qualified for Worlds.
C&B now have the TES in the FD to qualify them for worlds, & since they already had it for the SD from Salt Lake, they are good to go for Worlds now, too. P&I made the TES at Salt Lake in both programs (and repeated the feat for the FD here)>

M&K, R&H, and Bernardi & Mior also got the minimum TES of 39 in the FD and need to do better in their next international SD competition.
 

mystichaze

On the Ice
Joined
Nov 7, 2007
Yay Kaetlyn Osmond! I liked her from last year so I am glad she did well here! Definitely a confidence booster for her and for the Canadian ladies program. Hopefully there will be some vids of her progams here. Good job Kaetlyn!!
 

merrywidow

Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 20, 2004
Congratulations to Keegan Messing & Stephen Carriere who both placed ahead of Verner & Brezina. I am so proud of are US men who don't make the World team but have the talent to compete against some of the best in the world. On to Finlandia with Dornbush & Weir.
 

merrywidow

Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 20, 2004
So proud of Keegan & Stephen. In fact, I'm so proud of all of our US men so far competing in "B" events. On to Finlandia with Dornbush & Weir.
 

gmyers

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 6, 2010
I agree and to call a skater inconsistent in September or rattled by nerves seems odd. What was there - 125 people in the arena?

This is a skater who basically makes the podium at every event she enters. If that is not a sign of consistency I need to learn the real meaning of this word. :think:

I always thought nerves was not about the crowd present but the skater looking at a win and then not performing because of pressure on themselves. Which is seemingly what Sotnikova's problem is. There were few people at Nebelhorn but Sotnikova still made a lot of errors that placed her second and cost her a win. She lost her lead from the SP. She has been very consistent in making mistakes that cost her a lot since she became a senior. Russian nationals 2012 being something she won but not really that impressively, lost to Lipnitskaya in the FS. Her nerves in competition are wild and out of control in free skates.
 
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sky_fly20

Match Penalty
Joined
Nov 20, 2011
I always thought nerves was not about the crowd present but the skater looking at a win and then not performing because of pressure on themselves. Which is seemingly what Sotnikova's problem is. There were few people at Nebelhorn but Sotnikova still made a lot of errors that placed her second and cost her a win. She lost her lead from the SP. She has been very consistent in making mistakes that cost her a lot since she became a senior. Russian nationals 2012 being something she won but not really that impressively, lost to Lipnitskaya in the FS. Her nerves in competition are wild and out of control in free skates.

reminds me of another talented Russian skater, wasn't that Maria Butyrskaya's problems ?
nerves get into her scores thus she mostly just can't hold it up in the FS
 

FSGMT

Record Breaker
Joined
Sep 10, 2012
I always thought nerves was not about the crowd present but the skater looking at a win and then not performing because of pressure on themselves. Which is seemingly what Sotnikova's problem is. There were few people at Nebelhorn but Sotnikova still made a lot of errors that placed her second and cost her a win. She lost her lead from the SP. She has been very consistent in making mistakes that cost her a lot since she became a senior. Russian nationals 2012 being something she won but not really that impressively, lost to Lipnitskaya in the FS. Her nerves in competition are wild and out of control in free skates.
I basically agree about the nerves control, but she didn't make "a lot of mistakes": she landed five clean triples and three double axels in her programs, she just fell two times and popped one jump: 7 of her 10 jumps were good! And her spins are just :love: (excpet the biellmann in the FS)!
 

Mao88

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 9, 2011
VIDEOS SO FAR

ICE DANCE COMPETITION

1. Madison CHOCK & Evan BATES (USA) - 147.79
Short Dance
2. Julia ZLOBINA & Alexei SITNIKOV (AZE) - 143.59
Short Dance
3. Nelli ZHIGANSHINA & Alexander GAZSI (GER) - 142.00
Short Dance
4. Ksenia MONKO & Kirill KHALIAVIN (RUS) - 139.70
Short Dance
5. Alexandra PAUL & Mitchell ISLAM (CAN) - 137.92
8. Ramona ELSENER & Florian ROOST (SUI) - 118.33
Short Dance

PAIRS COMPETITION

1. Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR & Maxim TRANKOV (RUS) - 196.55
Short Program, Short Program - 2nd Video, Free Skate, Free Skate - 2nd Video
2. Caydee DENNEY & John COUGHLIN (USA) - 178.90
Short Program
3. Vanessa JAMES & Morgan CIPRES (FRA) - 151.52
Short Program
4. Gretchen DONLAN & Andrew SPEROFF (USA) - 145.35
5. Daria POPOVA & Bruno MASSOT (FRA) - 132.68
WD Vera BAZAROVA & Yuri LARIONOV (RUS)
Short Program

MEN'S COMPETITION

1. Nobunari ODA (JPN) - 233.33
Short Program, Free Skate
2. Konstantin MENSHOV (RUS) - 212.94
Short Program, Free Skate
3. Keegan MESSING (USA) - 210.78
Free Skate
4. Stephen CARRIERE (USA) - 209.11
5. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 201.71
Short Program, Free Skate
6. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 199.98
Free Skate
7. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 198.39
Short Program
8. Ivan BARIEV (RUS) - 196.54
Short Program
10. Peter LIEBERS (GER) - 195.59
Short Program

LADIES COMPETITION

1. Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN) - 170.19
Free Skate
2. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 168.23
Short Program, Short Program - 2nd Video, Free Skate
3. Haruka IMAI (JPN) - 153.64
Free Skate
4. Elena GLEBOVA (EST) - 152.36
5. Polina SHELEPEN (RUS) - 147.59
Short Program
 
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bigsisjiejie

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 22, 2009
Keegan didn't fall on the quad, he had a random fall after his amazing split jump...

Wow, yes, and the video makes clear what the protocols alone did not. Never occurred to me that the -1 for the fall would have been on a non-listed element. He's going to look at this video and give himself a Duh! Headslap for that near face-plant! I do love that split jump, though! I see Rory Flack-Burghardt in there somewhere! He's got some nice jump and spin elements, but still has a lot of room to improve on the interstitial elements, arm movements, and general PCS side. Not sure what he needs at this point--More dance and off-ice? Try a different choreographer? Spend time with Jeremy Abbott? And not to nit-pick, but I find his hair distracting in a 1970's sort of way. :biggrin:
 

Tonichelle

Idita-Rock-n-Roll
Record Breaker
Joined
Jun 27, 2003
he needs a new choreographer, been saying that for years... as for off ice dance - it wouldn't hurt.
 

Mao88

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 9, 2011
VIDEOS SO FAR

ICE DANCE COMPETITION

1. Madison CHOCK & Evan BATES (USA) - 147.79
Short Dance, Free Dance
2. Julia ZLOBINA & Alexei SITNIKOV (AZE) - 143.59
Short Dance
3. Nelli ZHIGANSHINA & Alexander GAZSI (GER) - 142.00
Short Dance. Free Dance
4. Ksenia MONKO & Kirill KHALIAVIN (RUS) - 139.70
Short Dance
5. Alexandra PAUL & Mitchell ISLAM (CAN) - 137.92
8. Ramona ELSENER & Florian ROOST (SUI) - 118.33
Short Dance

PAIRS COMPETITION

1. Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR & Maxim TRANKOV (RUS) - 196.55
Short Program, Short Program - 2nd Video, Free Skate, Free Skate - 2nd Video
2. Caydee DENNEY & John COUGHLIN (USA) - 178.90
Short Program
3. Vanessa JAMES & Morgan CIPRES (FRA) - 151.52
Short Program
4. Gretchen DONLAN & Andrew SPEROFF (USA) - 145.35
5. Daria POPOVA & Bruno MASSOT (FRA) - 132.68
WD Vera BAZAROVA & Yuri LARIONOV (RUS)
Short Program

MEN'S COMPETITION

1. Nobunari ODA (JPN) - 233.33
Short Program, Free Skate
2. Konstantin MENSHOV (RUS) - 212.94
Short Program, Free Skate
3. Keegan MESSING (USA) - 210.78
Free Skate
4. Stephen CARRIERE (USA) - 209.11
5. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 201.71
Short Program, Free Skate
6. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 199.98
Free Skate
7. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 198.39
Short Program
8. Ivan BARIEV (RUS) - 196.54
Short Program
10. Peter LIEBERS (GER) - 195.59
Short Program

LADIES COMPETITION

1. Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN) - 170.19
Free Skate
2. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 168.23
Short Program, Short Program - 2nd Video, Free Skate
3. Haruka IMAI (JPN) - 153.64
Free Skate
4. Elena GLEBOVA (EST) - 152.36
5. Polina SHELEPEN (RUS) - 147.59
Short Program, Free Skate
 
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Trewyn

Medalist
Joined
Dec 10, 2008
Wow I wasn't paying attention to this competition, but coming to this thread now I find a lot to be discovered!
It's time to get excited about Kaetlyn Osmond!!! Awesome score! It would be great for Canada, having Worlds their this year, to have a new rising star. Not likely a medal contender this year, but still; if she skates like that at Worlds, she'd definitely be in the mix for top ten, right?
Oda is back! Well, he often has good performances early in the season, but I still feel he deserves a world medal!! Could this season be the time for him?

A little sad to see Bezina and Verner low in the rankings :s They've both been struggling for several seasons now... Will either or both recover in time for Europeans and Worlds this year?
 
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