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    Pairs SP JGP Lake Placid 2012

    For those of you without coverage, I'll be doing live play by play and analysis of the Pairs Short Program starting with Group 2: http://icemusings.blogspot.com/2012/...t-program.html

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    another lost PCS marks from unlucky draw by Davankova/Deputat
    I hope they make ground for LP, why do they always get unlucky draws

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/jgpusa2012/SEG005.HTM
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    Why are 4 US pair teams competing? Isn't that unusual? I thought 3 per country was the maximum.

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    Except in pairs. Host nations get unlimited entrants into pairs.

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    For the JGP the U.S. earned 3 slots for each event and then an extra host slot. This is allowed under the JGP provisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Except in pairs. Host nations get unlimited entrants into pairs.
    Ah. Thanks!

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    ISU JGP videos are up! I saw Davankova and Deputat's program and I was underwhelmed. There is still a lot that they need to work on. His technique on the throws still irks me. He spends a lot of time setting up and then he crouches. I also didn't really like the music (godfather) and the program didn't do much for me. I hope their free skate is better.
    Some other small details to work on like their entry into the double axels is off.

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    Here's the scores:

    Pl. Name Nation TSS
    = TES
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    - StN.
    1 Vasilisa DAVANKOVA / Andrei DEPUTAT RUS 48.97 27.16 21.81 5.57 5.29 5.57 5.46 5.36 0.00 #1
    2 Margaret PURDY / Michael MARINARO CAN 47.84 24.20 23.64 5.86 5.82 6.00 5.86 6.00 0.00 #11
    3 Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER USA 44.58 21.39 23.19 5.75 5.64 5.89 5.79 5.93 0.00 #8
    4 Madeline AARON / Max SETTLAGE USA 43.82 20.99 22.83 5.79 5.39 5.79 5.75 5.82 0.00 #4
    5 Jessica PFUND / AJ REISS USA 43.37 21.73 22.64 5.61 5.57 5.79 5.75 5.57 1.00 #10
    6 Ekaterina KUKLINA / Maxim PETUKHOV RUS 41.90 22.44 19.46 5.00 4.86 4.93 4.93 4.61 0.00 #2
    7 Annabelle PRÖLSS / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER 40.53 22.51 19.02 4.75 4.54 4.71 4.89 4.89 1.00 #5
    8 Kamilla GAINETDINOVA / Ivan BICH RUS 39.91 19.19 20.72 5.29 5.07 5.11 5.29 5.14 0.00 #7
    9 Olivia OLTMANNS / Joshua SANTILLAN USA 39.10 19.56 19.54 4.96 4.68 4.82 4.96 5.00 0.00 #14
    10 Krystel DESJARDINS / Charlie BILODEAU CAN 37.75 19.64 19.11 4.93 4.75 4.82 4.71 4.68 1.00 #13
    11 Shalena RAU / Phelan SIMPSON CAN 37.73 18.90 18.83 4.64 4.54 4.79 4.82 4.75 0.00 #12
    12 Giulia FORESTI / Leo Luca SFORZA ITA 33.86 16.68 18.18 4.36 4.32 4.61 4.71 4.71 1.00 #3
    13 Julia LAVRENTIEVA / Yuri RUDIK UKR 31.73 15.19 17.54 4.57 4.21 4.39 4.43 4.32 1.00 #6
    14 Eliza SMYTH / Jordan DODDS AUS 19.38 8.32 12.06 3.11 2.96 2.96 3.07 2.96 1.00 #9

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    While it wasn't a great program, I thought mD/D were hosed on PCS. Glad they're in first regardless, and I fully expect that we'll see in the LP them emerge first PCS wise as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    ISU JGP videos are up! I saw Davankova and Deputat's program and I was underwhelmed. There is still a lot that they need to work on. His technique on the throws still irks me. He spends a lot of time setting up and then he crouches. I also didn't really like the music (godfather) and the program didn't do much for me. I hope their free skate is better.
    Some other small details to work on like their entry into the double axels is off.
    yeah but its an improvement, if you notice he didn't stop that much compared to junior worlds when doing the throw/throws faster now too

    JGP Lake Placid:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMjlMXJX98&feature=plcp

    Junior Worlds:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMjlMXJX98&feature=plcp

    I do think hey lost some PCS marks, they started 1st in the order draw and while this isn't really great SP ( Morozov program ? ) this was also their new SP so give it time maybe next competition if we see further improvements in their skating, they are aware they are more of the technical skaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    ISU JGP videos are up! I saw Davankova and Deputat's program and I was underwhelmed. There is still a lot that they need to work on. His technique on the throws still irks me. He spends a lot of time setting up and then he crouches. I also didn't really like the music (godfather) and the program didn't do much for me. I hope their free skate is better.
    Some other small details to work on like their entry into the double axels is off.
    It is their first start of season, after Vasilisa's growing at summer. So she must learn all more, Andrei must learn to make pair elements with Vasilisa who became more tall and and with bigger weight and so on.
    They, I believe, will better at season.

    Vasilisa now grows from child to pretty young woman. It has advantages and disadvantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    It is their first start of season, after Vasilisa's growing at summer. So she must learn all more, Andrei must learn to make pair elements with Vasilisa who became more tall and and with bigger weight and so on.
    They, I believe, will better at season.

    Vasilisa now grows from child to pretty young woman. It has advantages and disadvantages.
    yes, Davankova grew so much !!
    I hope she doesn't grow as much anymore maybe just a max 1.5 or 2 more inches, I think Andrei is still growing too a bit.
    because it will be hard if you almost have the same height in pairs with some exceptions, the lifting positions will be the problems.

    I also loved Gainetdinova/Bich minus the music, their throws always looks so light
    shame about the aborted lift mistake , hope they do well in LP
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    yes, Davankova grew so much !!
    About 3 inches or 7,5 cm.

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    It is unfortunate how much trouble the junior pairs are having with the back outside death spiral.

    Here's the Junior Pairs playlist for the SP

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMjl...0&feature=plcp

    Here's the protocols:

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/jg..._SP_Scores.pdf

    So many teams getting no points for thing

    kudos to Davankova & Deputat; nothing below a level 3

    Purdy & Marinaro; level 1 on the step sequence and Basic level on the death spiral (this is a new level 0); there are now 5 levels for skills

    Denney & Frazier; no credit at all for the death spiral and level one for the step

    Aaron & Settlage: no credit at all for the combination spin; level one for the step, level one for the death spiral

    Pfund & Reiss: no credit for the death spiral; a -1 time violation

    Kuklina & Petukhov: Basic level for the death spiral, level 1 for the step

    Prölss & Blommaert: Basic level for the death spiral. -1 for a fall (They had the second highest completed tech level here)

    Gainetdinova & Bich: no credit for the death spiral

    Oltmanns & Santillan: Basic level for the death spiral, singled the axel, level 1 for the spin

    Desjardins & Bilodeau: level 1 on the step and -1 for a fall

    Rau & Simpson: underrotated on the double flip, no credit for the death spiral, level one on the double twist

    Foresti & Sforza: -1 for the fall, no credit for the death spiral, level 1 for the double twist

    Lavrentieva & Rudik: -1 for the fall, no credit for the death spiral, level 1 for the double twist, level1 for the step.

    Smyth & Dodds: Basic level for the double twist, no credit for the death spiral, only did a throw double salchow, Basic level for the lift, level 1 for the step.

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    thanks doris
    panels were indeed harsh on pairs here... I think they got a bit greedy, LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    About 3 inches or 7,5 cm.
    at least she is still landing her jumps, hopefully doesn't affect a lot of other things
    I hope they will both adjust soon to their new heights and programs because it will be such a waste.
    good luck to all in LP
    Last edited by sky_fly20; 08-31-2012 at 05:51 AM.

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