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    Ladies SP JGP Lake Placid 2012

    Link to Ladies Preview, if you'd like to check out info about these skaters:

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...hlight=preview


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    1 Netta SCHREIBER ISR

    2 Angela WANG USA

    3 Alaine Marie CHARTRAND CAN

    4 Anhelina BOSKO ARG

    5 Corinna Lijun LIN TPE

    Warm-Up Group 2
    6 Josefine TALJEGARD SWE

    7 Deirdre FAEGRE IRL

    8 Pernille SORENSEN DEN

    9 Kako TOMOTAKI JPN

    10 Beata PAPP FIN

    Warm-Up Group 3
    11 Tina STUERZINGER SUI

    12 So Youn PARK KOR

    13 Madelaine PARKER NZL

    14 Brittany LAU SIN

    15 Raya M. WILLOUGHBY MAS

    Warm-Up Group 4
    16 Tsz Ying Crystal CHIK HKG

    17 Courtney HICKS USA

    18 Nicole RAJICOVA SVK

    19 Ji Hyun BYUN KOR

    20 Evgenia GERASIMOVA RUS

    Warm-Up Group 5
    21 Clara BAIWIR BEL

    22 Melanie SWANG THA

    23 Brooklee HAN AUS

    24 Kiri BAGA USA

    25 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN

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    This will be exciting!! I think US girls will do well, and the JGP assignment problems will be solved after this competition. I wish dear Kiri Baga shine like a star and Gerasimova show something good for her debut!

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    Miyahara should easily win this with Hicks and Park as alternates

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    I think it's going to be very interesting to see how Gerasimova does here as she's been overshadowed by Radionova's debut this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Miyahara should easily win this with Hicks and Park as alternates
    Satoko Miyahara scores
    JGP 2011 Events - 162.20 and 143.24
    WJC 2012 - 157.78
    Asian Trophy August 07-12 2012 - 148.21
    Asian Trophy SP 3Lz+3T<, 2F, FCSp1, other elements good.
    Asian Trophy FS 2Lz, 3F, 3Lo(fall), 3T, 2A+3T, 3Lz+2T+2T, 3S+2T, non-jumping good.

    So she was not in the best state less than a month ago.
    What is her state now - we will see. If best - she wll be first. If no - she may be at not very high place.

    About other skaters - I see about 5 girls (Korea Russia USA, countries in alphabetic order) of comparable level. So ice and only ice will show.

    And we MUST remember - ice is slippery. At Courchevel only 8 of 27 girls had no deductions in FS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    Satoko Miyahara scores
    JGP 2011 Events - 162.20 and 143.24
    WJC 2012 - 157.78
    Asian Trophy August 07-12 2012 - 148.21
    Asian Trophy SP 3Lz+3T<, 2F, FCSp1, other elements good.
    Asian Trophy FS 2Lz, 3F, 3Lo(fall), 3T, 2A+3T, 3Lz+2T+2T, 3S+2T, non-jumping good.

    So she was not in the best state less than a month ago.
    What is her state now - we will see. If best - she wll be first. If no - she may be at not very high place.

    About other skaters - I see about 5 girls (Korea Russia USA, countries in alphabetic order) of comparable level. So ice and only ice will show.

    And we MUST remember - ice is slippery. At Courchevel only 8 of 27 girls had no deductions in FS.
    I know Miyahara can be either be Hot or Cold, her biggest problems are her low jumps which are now beginning to give her problems with under rotations ( see her bent knees technique since 2011 JGP and I know was the sign she will have problems ) but the ladies here isn't that much of a deep field, Hicks just came off from an injury so my expectations are a bit lower for her
    Park is always a surprise, she was able to outscore Risa Shoji. Gerasimova I don't know much from her, how old is she ? is she as good as Titushkina at least ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Gerasimova I don't know much from her, how old is she ? is she as good as Titushkina at least ?
    02 Jan 1998. Her places and scores past season were higher (but not very much higher) than Titushkina's.
    But does it mean much?
    For example, Tarasenko was 7th, Pitkeev 11th at Junior Nationals witn difference in score about 17. Now at JGP after SP Pitkeev is higher than Tarasenko.

    See info, photos, videos http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...l=1#post652279
    Last edited by AlexRus; 08-31-2012 at 07:33 AM.

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    Gerasimova is another beautiful Russian girl I think she will get a medal if she skates clean, because she doesn't have 3Lz if I'm not mistaken. Or 3F+3T. So only a clean skate can make her a medalist.

    Titushkina wasn't faultless, she was a real debutant actually. But she did very well, very promising. Although she wasn't at the level of Lipnitskaya or Radionova. Gerasimova isn't that level, too. She isn't at the same level with Titushkina technically as I can see, but she seem to have a better presentation. So I think presentation side of her skating may be an advantage. Actually I'm very curious to see what she will do here.

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    I dont think so, from this season
    I can only see 4 Russians this season that are really good enough to medal or go to JGPF
    Radionova, Shershak, Titushkina and Agafonova
    the rest are a bit underwhelming and inconsistent

    this isn't much of a deep field so maybe there will be surprises
    Top 3 here would be Miyahara, Hicks and Park

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totentanz View Post
    Gerasimova is another beautiful Russian girl I think she will get a medal if she skates clean, because she doesn't have 3Lz if I'm not mistaken. Or 3F+3T. So only a clean skate can make her a medalist.
    Only Shershak of Russian girls who pretend on JGP Events, hasn't all 5 triples. All other girls have.

    Gerasimova has 3Lz and 3Lz+2T, with GOE between 0 and +1 (mostly).
    She performed 3Lz+3T< and 3Lz+3T<< and 3F+3T< and 3T+3T (most often 3F+3T<) in past season, but now combos may be better.

    Clean skating in SP and FS, I believe, will give medal Myahara, So Joun Park, Gerasimova, any of three american skaters (if clean skating in both SP and FS will show not more than three of them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    Only Shershak of Russian girls who pretend on JGP Events, hasn't all 5 triples. All other girls have.

    Gerasimova has 3Lz and 3Lz+2T, with GOE between 0 and +1 (mostly).
    She performed 3Lz+3T< and 3Lz+3T<< and 3F+3T< and 3T+3T (most often 3F+3T<) in past season, but now combos may be better.

    Clean skating in SP and FS, I believe, will give medal Myahara, So Joun Park, Gerasimova, any of three american skaters (if clean skating in both SP and FS will show not more than three of them).
    Thanks for the information AlexRus, I didn't notice she had all the triples. I think we can see improvement from Gerasimova in this competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
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    I dont think so, from this season
    I can only see 4 Russians this season that are really good enough to medal or go to JGPF
    Radionova, Shershak, Titushkina and Agafonova
    the rest are a bit underwhelming and inconsistent

    this isn't much of a deep field so maybe there will be surprises
    Top 3 here would be Miyahara, Hicks and Park
    But Russian federation send Gerasimova alone to this competition. So I think they expect her to medal. Or why they didn't send Agafonova? She will be competing next week in Austria and there will be Radionova who will probably beat her. That will make her chance less. Austria will be a very difficult competition.

    I think medal chance of American, Japenese, Korean and Russian girls are equal in this competition like AlexRus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totentanz View Post
    But Russian federation send Gerasimova alone to this competition. So I think they expect her to medal. Or why they didn't send Agafonova? She will be competing next week in Austria and there will be Radionova who will probably beat her. That will make her chance less. Austria will be a very difficult competition.

    I think medal chance of American, Japenese, Korean and Russian girls are equal in this competition like AlexRus.
    some feds prefer to send weaker reps to a particular event for other reasons ( stronger home court advantange or travel cost expenses ? ), also China hasn't send anyone on Lake Placid ? though I agree anything can happen here as no one is really a clear frontrunner maybe Miyahara, I am more interested how Hicks will be doing coming from her injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
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    I can only see 4 Russians this season that are really good enough to medal or go to JGPF
    Radionova, Shershak, Titushkina and Agafonova
    the rest are a bit underwhelming and inconsistent
    Rating of members of "Team Russia" afier season 2011/12 is about this:
    Radionova (leader much better than others)
    Agafonova
    Shershak
    Gerasimova
    Stavitskaia
    Zaseeva
    Titushkina
    And also are three girls in "Team Russia" scored lower than Titushkina, but not much lower.
    Also are Gosviani and maybe Deeva (we will see her in Minsk at Ice Star - first after Junior Nationals).

    Titushkina's bronse medal is a success, but don't forget that this medal is on half (or more) "gift" from Lam and Cain because of their mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    Rating of members of "Team Russia" afier season 2011/12 is about this:
    Radionova (leader much better than others)
    Agafonova
    Shershak
    Gerasimova
    Stavitskaia
    Zaseeva
    Titushkina
    And also are three girls in "Team Russia" scored lower than Titushkina, but not much lower.
    Also are Gosviani and maybe Deeva (we will see her in Minsk at Ice Star - first after Junior Nationals).

    Titushkina's bronse medal is a success, but don't forget that this medal is on half (or more) "gift" of Lam and Cain because of their mistakes.
    Oh is Titushkina really that bad? I think you don't like her, or she really did an impossible thing by skating like that in Courchevel cause she was very good.

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