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Ladies SP JGP Lake Placid 2012

dorispulaski

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Plus Lake Placid, NY, is a pain in the neck to get to from everywhere, even from Vermont the next door state. If you were going to avoid sending competitors somewhere, IMO, Lake Placid would be one of the ones to consider.
 
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Plus Lake Placid, NY, is a pain in the neck to get to from everywhere, even from Vermont the next door state.
It is not a great problem for foreign skaters - International Airport of New York, about 300-400 miles to north to Adirondack Regional Airport, 16 miles to Lake Placid. Or even faster if charter flight to Lake Placid Airport.
If comparing to flight from Europe - no problem.
 
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Snoopy15

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Feb 27, 2012
some feds prefer to send weaker reps to a particular event for other reasons ( stronger home court advantange or travel cost expenses ? ), also China hasn't send anyone on Lake Placid ? though I agree anything can happen here as no one is really a clear frontrunner maybe Miyahara, I am more interested how Hicks will be doing coming from her injury.

For what it's worth, here was Hicks most recent competition at Glacier Falls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7yNw-fc90Y&feature=plcp

Judging from this video, I honestly do not think that Hicks will make the top 3. Her posture and form seems to have declined even further after her injury. Additionally, her jumps are not nearly as stable, and without her jumps, she's basically a sitting duck.
I would go out on a limb and say Wang for 3rd, followed by Park in 2nd, and Miyahara in 1st. But judging from the most recent results, I don't know if Wang can overcome that deficit... I hope so.
 

Totentanz

Ursula Gumennik
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For what it's worth, here was Hicks most recent competition at Glacier Falls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7yNw-fc90Y&feature=plcp

Judging from this video, I honestly do not think that Hicks will make the top 3. Her posture and form seems to have declined even further after her injury. Additionally, her jumps are not nearly as stable, and without her jumps, she's basically a sitting duck.
I would go out on a limb and say Wang for 3rd, followed by Park in 2nd, and Miyahara in 1st. But judging from the most recent results, I don't know if Wang can overcome that deficit... I hope so.

Wang hasn't done what we expect from her. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu5F1b2whQ4
 

dorispulaski

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So far (4:34 pm edt)

1 So Youn PARK KOR 52.33 29.50 22.83 5.82 5.50 5.75 5.71 5.75 0.00 #12
2 Courtney HICKS USA 51.36 27.85 23.51 6.07 5.64 5.93 5.93 5.82 0.00 #17
3 Kako TOMOTAKI JPN 46.89 26.09 20.80 5.39 5.07 5.14 5.29 5.11 0.00 #9
4 Angela WANG USA 44.71 23.34 21.37 5.50 5.21 5.18 5.46 5.36 0.00 #2
5 Alaine CHARTRAND CAN 43.42 24.25 20.17 5.25 4.93 4.89 5.07 5.07 1.00 #3
6 Josefine TALJEGARD SWE 42.42 21.70 20.72 5.07 5.07 5.14 5.29 5.32 0.00 #6
7 Beata PAPP FIN 39.53 20.30 19.23 4.79 4.54 4.86 4.96 4.89 0.00 #10
8 Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 38.38 18.87 19.51 5.07 4.68 4.86 4.89 4.89 0.00 #18
9 Netta SCHREIBER ISR 36.35 18.76 17.59 4.43 4.21 4.39 4.54 4.43 0.00 #1
10 Tina STUERZINGER SUI 34.52 19.57 16.95 4.50 4.07 4.29 4.21 4.11 2.00 #11
11 Madelaine PARKER NZL 33.08 17.57 16.51 4.11 3.93 4.25 4.21 4.14 1.00 #13
12 Tsz Ying Crystal CHIK HKG 31.32 15.29 16.03 4.21 3.82 4.07 4.04 3.89 0.00 #16
13 Brittany LAU SIN 31.11 15.45 15.66 4.11 3.68 3.86 4.04 3.89 0.00 #14
14 Pernille SORENSEN DEN 28.95 13.15 15.80 4.18 3.64 3.86 4.07 4.00 0.00 #8
15 Corinna Lijun LIN TPE 27.67 13.82 13.85 3.68 3.43 3.46 3.43 3.32 0.00 #5
16 Raya M. WILLOUGHBY MAS 26.36 12.62 14.74 3.82 3.54 3.68 3.71 3.68 1.00 #15
17 Anhelina BOSKO ARG 22.08 9.97 12.11 3.11 2.93 2.89 3.14 3.07 0.00 #4
18 Deirdre FAEGRE IRL 17.74 6.82 10.92 2.86 2.61 2.61 2.89 2.68 0.00 #7
 

sky_fly20

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looks like 3lz+2T , 3F a little iffy landing , same for the 2A
btw, I hate the blowing kisses and frequent opening of the mouth :laugh:

that's without Satoko yet, If she is clean
Satoko can get the mid 50+ scores
 
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inskate

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I loved Angela's program choreography-wise. Everything was right to the music, the theme was clearly recognizable, there was a lot of style-appropriate transitions and she had good speed and nice, deep edges. I don't see how she scored lower on TR, IN and CH than Evgenia, whose program was a bit of hot mess as far as choreo and music cut are concerned. :(
So Young (lovely twizzles and turns) and Kako were also quite enjoyable to watch. Courtney has nice spins and great speed, but I'm not fond of the spastic, flail-y choreo. ^^'
I'm still waiting for Kiri's and Satoko's SP to be uploaded... :)
 

sky_fly20

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I loved Angela's program choreography-wise. Everything was right to the music, the theme was clearly recognizable, there was a lot of style-appropriate transitions and she had good speed and nice, deep edges. I don't see how she scored lower on TR, IN and CH than Evgenia, whose program was a bit of hot mess as far as choreo and music cut are concerned. :(
So Young (lovely twizzles and turns) and Kako were also quite enjoyable to watch. Courtney has nice spins and great speed, but I'm not fond of the spastic, flail-y choreo. ^^'
I'm still waiting for Kiri's and Satoko's SP to be uploaded... :)

Miyahara's SP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLA6MUG_GV8&feature=plcp

Satoko still has her Poor Technique :disapp:
BENT KNEES and Delay rotation is A grave cause for Under rotations
 
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Mao88

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Mar 9, 2011
LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT

1. Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN) = 54.76 (TES: 31.51, PCS: 23.25)
2. So Youn PARK (KOR) = 52.33 (TES: 29.50, PCS: 22.83)
3. Evgenia GERASIMOVA (RUS) = 52.30 (TES: 28.74, PCS: 23.56)
4. Courtney HICKS (USA) = 51.36 (TES: 27.85, PCS: 23.51)
5. Kiri BAGA (USA) = 47.80 (TES: 25.88, PCS: 22.92, DED: 1.00)
6. Kako TOMOTAKI (JPN) = 46.89 (TES: 26.09, PCS: 20.80)
7. Brooklee HAN (AUS) = 44.96 (TES: 25.50, PCS: 20.46, DED: 1.00)
8. Angela WANG (USA) = 44.71 (TES: 23.34, PCS: 21.37)
9. Alaine CHARTRAND (CAN) = 43.42 (TES: 24.25, PCS: 20.17, DED: 1.00)
10. Josefine TALJEGARD (SWE) = 42.42 (TES: 21.70, PCS: 20.72)
11. Beata PAPP (FIN) = 39.53 (TES: 20.30, PCS: 19.23)
12. Nicole RAJICOVA (SVK) = 38.38 (TES: 18.87, PCS: 19.51)
13. Netta SCHREIBER (ISR) = 36.35 (TES: 18.76, PCS: 17.59)
14. Ji Hyun BYUN (KOR) = 35.27 (TES: 18.01, PCS: 17.26)
15. Tina STUERZINGER (SUI) = 34.52 (TES: 19.57, PCS: 16.95, DED: 2.00)
16. Madelaine PARKER (NZL) = 33.08 (TES: 17.57, PCS: 16.51, DED: 1.00)
17. Melanie SWANG (THA) = 31.62 (TES: 17.06, PCS: 14.56)
18. Tsz Ying Crystal CHIK (HKG) = 31.32 (TES: 15.29, PCS: 16.03)
19. Brittany LAU (SIN) = 31.11 (TES: 15.45, PCS: 15.66)
20. Pernille SORENSEN (DEN) = 28.95 (TES: 13.15, PCS: 15.80)
21. Corinna Lijun LIN (TPE) = 27.67 (TES: 13.82, PCS: 13.85)
22. Raya M. WILLOUGHBY (MAS) = 26.36 (TES: 12.62, PCS: 14.74, DED: 1.00)
23. Clara BAIWIR (BEL) = 25.58 (TES: 12.52, PCS: 15.06, DED: 2.00)
24. Anhelina BOSKO (ARG) = 22.08 (TES: 9.97, PCS: 12.11)
25. Deirdre FAEGRE (IRL) = 17.74 (TES: 6.82, PCS: 10.92)

Here are the protocols
 

Jammers

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MIYAHARA is going to have problems in the future with those tiny jumps. Just how old is she anyways she's so small.
 

sky_fly20

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on the protocols as expected -GoE there from Miyahara's landings, she is 14 years old.
someone needs to tell her coach to fix her BENT KNEES a.s.a.p
because as soon as she adds a few more inches its goodbye jumps and hello more Underrotations
( Miyahara is already showing signs of inconsistency and UR's)
 
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inskate

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Satoko still has her Poor Technique :disapp:
BENT KNEES and Delay rotation is A grave cause for Under rotations

? Bent knee landing and delayed rotation are actually greatly admired by skating purists; bent knee on the take-off sure didn't hurt Yuna and Shizuka any.
Satoko's jumping technique reminds me of Shizuka, Nobunari or Yuna - she just doesn't have their speed or power because she's still tiny. Her jumping style is suitable for someone with enough muscle power to generate a lot of speed into the jumps and to put more oomph into the takeoff.
Still, I think in the long term it's a better idea to learn the correct technique early (and suffer a few UR calls here and there) than learn to compensate for petite body with hammer toe or prerotation and then have to re-work jumping technique later, like Mao or Caro.

The -GoE on her combo was added because of the edge call (a bit strict call from the TC, IMHO, and 3 of the judges failed to deduct points), not because of UR.
 

sky_fly20

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yes I know she is tiny and could be reason her jumps are small but when I watch her I feel there is something wrong she lands her jumps
I do agree its good to get good technique while Miyahara is still young, because I notice already she is prone to UR's better now than having to rework everything later
 

Snoopy15

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Feb 27, 2012
A few interesting notes on the protocols:
- Miyahara's Flip was not given a UR mark. Replaying it, a really strict technical specialist (Ex. Amano) might've even given a Downgrade.
- Park's, Baga's, Tomotaki's, and Wang's PCS all being lower than Hicks. Anyone want to try and explain that to me?
- Hick's GOE on the Axel. It seems a tad high. A swingy, slow entry and a flawed landing should've given her base GOE at best.
- Wang's edge-call on the Flip. I personally disagree with it, seeing as how her entry with a three turn seemed to lead in with an inside-edge. However, I might be wrong because of the camera angle.
On a side note, I really pray that Miyahara adds more height to her jumps. At the current moment, I'm doubting she's going to keep her jumps after puberty.
 

sky_fly20

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also Gerasimova's PCS marks were too high. Hicks so did not deserve those high marks on PCS with those skating skills and execution marks
Miyahara's PCS were a bit low maybe because her programs these season are too waltzy
 
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Snoopy15

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Yes, Gerasimova's PCS were a tad high, but, to be honest, I thought the program was pretty decent. The movements were what you would expect from "Seville" and she has decent posture.
However, I did not like the over-exagerated facial expressions and naive movements.
To be honest, Hicks' posture, line, etc. seem to have drastically declined since her injury. I almost feel like she has no regard for her PCS and only wants jumps. With her switch in coaches, it basically says that, if John Nicks, of all people, couldn't fix her, no one will unless she takes action.
Yeah, Miyahara's programs this season seem really "Waltzy," but her edge work is still evident. I kinda liked her programs from last season better though, especially the "Scent of a Woman" tango. :)
 

silverlake22

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Miyahara turned 14 last March for those who were wondering. She reminds me of Kanako from a few years ago.
 
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