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2012 - 2013 Season Russian Cup Series & Other Russian Qualifiers

dorispulaski

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Thank you again! It's nice to understand how other countries handle qualifications for Nationals. I like this "series" method of doing it, so that talented skaters don't lose their chance over maybe being too nervious or too sick for just one event, something that happens in the US. (Like Gracie Gold 2 years ago).
 
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Thank you again! It's nice to understand how other countries handle qualifications for Nationals. I like this "series" method of doing it, so that talented skaters don't lose their chance over maybe being too nervious or too sick for just one event, something that happens in the US. (Like Gracie Gold 2 years ago).
It also has other advantages:

More high level competitions for good skaters (really good skaters in Russia have no problem to compete as often as they want at club events, being the only hi-level skater without real competitors, it is not interesting. In USA there are very many competitions, but hi-level skater will there be alone with high level, or about alone - Gracie Gold at Skate Detroit 2011 was so much higher than Hannah Miller and Barbie Long, that there was not real competition in Final, and absolutely no competition in Groups - Gold won more than 43 points in her Group).

More really good skaters on Event. At Regionals and even Sectionals at USA and Japan there are few hi-level skaters (or only one). So no need "beat to win". At one of Cup of Russia Events Radionova was second after SP, it makes her understand need of really competing to win.

Good (but not highest level) skaters have more opportunities to compete together with best skaters, see them closely at the same ice and so. It makes them to want skate better.
 
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FSGMT

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It also has other advantages:

More high level competitions for good skaters (really good skaters in Russia have no problem to compete as often as they want at club events, being the only hi-level skater without real competitors, it is not interesting. In USA there are very many competitions, but hi-level skater will there be alone with high level, or about alone - Gracie Gold at Skate Detroit 2011 was so much higher than Hannah Miller and Barbie Long, that there was not real competition in Final, and absolutely no competition in Groups - Gold won more than 43 points in her Group).

More really good skaters on Event. At Regionals and even Sectionals at USA and Japan there are few hi-level skaters (or only one). So no need "beat to win". At one of Cup of Russia Events Radionova was second after SP, it makes her understand need of really competing to win.

Good (but not highest level) skaters have more opportunities to compete together with best skaters, see them closely at the same ice and so. It makes them to want skate better.
Like what Makarova did last year when she was in her disastrous period in the GP, she competed in a Cup of Russia and showed very good programs!
 
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Like what Makarova did last year when she was in her disastrous period in the GP, she competed in a Cup of Russia and showed very good programs!
In fact, Makarova had at Russian Cup V(2011) good SP and not so good FS - 4 triples, only two combos in FS. She second season has the same problem as Asada now - corrupted jumps.
In FS ahead her was very young Evgenia Medvedeva (12 years and less than two weeks old).
 

FSGMT

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It looks like Agafonova is pretty back in shape: she was slow and hesitant and had long empty parts where she was just prepearing for the elements, but she landed four clean triples, including filp and lutz, so I think she could even place in the top 5 at Russian Junior Nationals...
 

sky_fly20

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It looks like Agafonova is pretty back in shape: she was slow and hesitant and had long empty parts where she was just prepearing for the elements, but she landed four clean triples, including filp and lutz, so I think she could even place in the top 5 at Russian Junior Nationals...

not very likely, If Julia competes at Junior Nationals with Radionova they will go 1-2
the remaining top 5 spots, Medvedeva, Pogorilaya, Sakhanovich and Sotskova will outscore and outjump her
 
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It looks like Agafonova is pretty back in shape: she was slow and hesitant and had long empty parts where she was just prepearing for the elements, but she landed four clean triples, including filp and lutz, so I think she could even place in the top 5 at Russian Junior Nationals...
Agafonova did not qualify to Senior Nationals, for Junior Nationals she even did not try to qualify.

Her results of this season are not so good.
She did not have a spot to JGP events (was only substitute, and her level was not treated by Federation as good enough, by test skating - all spots for JGP events are by test skating, official or unofficial).
Her 6th place at Coupe de Nice is not a good result.
Her 1st place at Panin Memorial was with low level of other competitors.

So she may not take place in Junior Nationals - she did not qualify and she has not really good Internationals results to be included without qualification.
Federation of course may include her, but it is not very probable.
 

dorispulaski

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Alex Rus, Thanks you for keeping us up to date on this stuff. It's good to hear Gerboldt & Enbert are back!
 
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It's crazy how a skater who landed 3salchow/3toe in the SP and four triples in the FS didn't even try to qualify for Junior Nationals (Agafonova).

Gerboldt/Enbert skated the SP only:
3Tw1 -1
3S -2
LoTh (no value so must have been a pop)

Not a great skate. :/

Thank you again! It's nice to understand how other countries handle qualifications for Nationals. I like this "series" method of doing it, so that talented skaters don't lose their chance over maybe being too nervious or too sick for just one event, something that happens in the US. (Like Gracie Gold 2 years ago).

Exactly. I wish other federations would follow this example. Although I guess finances are an issue. It's very expensive to hold so many events both for organisers and the skaters.

In Poland the qualification system for pre-Novice and Novice nationals (where there's a lot of skaters) works exactly like this. There isn't just one qualifying competition but the scores from across the season count.
 
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hanca

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Next week is the Final Russian Cup which will decide who will qualify for Worlds.
 
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StPetersburg Qualifiers to "Zhuk Memorial" 13-15 Feb
http://fsevents.narod.ru/event/s1213/spbspz1213/index.htm (Russian)
At Younger age won Anastasia Gubanova (girls) and Petr Gumennik (boys).
Predictable - they are very talented children.

Anastasia Gubanova (born 02 Dec 2002, so she will be age eligible to Olympics 2022 and Worlds 2019) landed 3F in competition before her 9th birthday. Now she lands 4 triples (all except 3Lz -she may jump 3Lz, but not stable enough) and 3T+3T combo. She is very small - looks like a baby, not child.

Petr Gumennik (born 11 Apr 2002) has 3Lo+3Lo combo and all five triples.
 
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StPetersburg Qualifiers to "Zhuk Memorial" 13-15 Feb
http://fsevents.narod.ru/event/s1213/spbspz1213/index.htm (Russian)
Elder Age (girls)
1. Alina Karavaeva.
2. Alexandrina Degtyareva.
3. Ekaterina Vysotina.
Only Karavaeva is known at national level (not of best).

Elder Age (boys)
1. Alexey Kranozhon (landed 3A< and 3Lz+3Lo, born 11 Apr 2000).
2. Makar Ignatov (born 21 Jun 2000).
3. Pavel Juferov.
Krasnozhon and Ignatov are known at national level as good for their age.
 
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Moscow Qualifiers to "Zhuk Memorial" 19-22 Feb
http://ffkm.ru/index.php/12-competitions/259-mlvozrast2013 (Russian)
http://klimkinilya1980.narod2.ru/spetsprogramma_2013_ml_vozrast/ (Russian) - results and protocols

At younger age (born at 2002 and earlier):
Girls - first place Valeria Evseeva. High level - TES 29.77 at SP and 49.73 at FS in Novice program!!! (PCS and Total are not so interesting, different judges - different PCS)
Now she lands three triples - 3Lz, 3F and 3Lo. 3T and 3S - in futire. She learns triples beginning of most complicated.
Boys - Georgiy Kunitsa with not so high result as Evseeva.

At elder age (born at 2000-2001):
Girls:
FPl. Name Elements SP FS
1 Alexandra Proklova 1 2 1 FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tubgtdBhzH4
2 Elisabeth Tursynbaeva 2 1 2 (at JGP Events she will represent Kazakstan - two extra spots for Moscow girls) FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADzcgQJHryE
3 Elizaveta Yuschenko 3 3 4 FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgpu5RttblI
4 Polina Drynkina 5 5 3 FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-czUZ9v-04
5 Sofia Istomina 6 4 5 FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Y5sHKSC0I
6 Viktoria Bezrukova 4 6 6 FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu6_k3Aliws

1st Place - FS TES 65.08, 5th Place - 50.65. Program - Junior.
First three have two complicated combos (3+3, 2A+3) in FS.

Maria Sotskova (medalist of Junior Natonals) did not take place because of illness.

Results of elder boys:
FPl. Name Elements SP FS
1 Stanislav Andryunin 1 2 1
2 Daniil Bernadiner 2 1 2
3 Egor Murashev 3 6 3

We see that, as usual, boys in this age are less interesting than girls and technical level of boys is lower.
 
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hanca

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Elisabeth Tursynbaeva 2 1 2 (at JGP Events she will represent Kazakstan - two extra spots for Moscow girls) FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADzcgQJHryE

Why is Russian Federation happy to release someone who even at such a young age is getting such a good results? If this competition is equivalent to novice championships and Tursynbaeva came second, aren't they worried that this girl may potentially steal future medals from Russian girls? Wouldn't they prefer to keep her, just in case? Don't get me wrong, I am glad that some of those talented young girls get to compete and competing for a different country may be the only way if the number of spots is limited to 3 per country. It is a waste that some of those girls will never be able to go to Europeans even if they are better than the rest of Europe, only because they may be unlucky to be number 4 in Russia. But I am curious why would Russian Federation be happy about putting their resources in her and then letting her go. Will she still be able to train in Russia, with the same coach?
 
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