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    Ice Dance & Carmen

    With the confirmation today that V/M are skating to Carmen it got me thinking - are there any memorable (as in you didn't just youtube it to see how many you could find) Dance programs to Carmen? I can't think of one

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    B/B, OGM in 1988

    K/O, OSM in 1998 (my favourite Carmen ice dance)

    N/K, OGM in 2006

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    For my money, every skating program should be to Carmen. Why fool around with anything less?

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    'Cause you can do so much more.

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    I always worry when I hear that someone is skating to Carmen, but when you think about it, there's a whole heap of music in this opera that goes untouched in most programs, so the possibilities are there for something fresh and new from the opera. Just as long as they stay away from the Habanera and the Toreador Song!

    Would I rather they had chosen something else? You bet. But I love V/M so much that I'm confident they'll come through.

    One of the drawbacks of Carmen is that the characters in the opera are actually not very sympathetic. You can't really do love team stuff with this music unless you make new characters. Katarina Witt could carry it off, and Angelika Krylova could. (Angelika Krylova could play Lady Macbeth and make you believe it.) In the opera, she destroys him, and he kills her. Are we going to end up yet again with someone sprawled on the ice....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Are we going to end up yet again with someone sprawled on the ice....
    It'd be quite a departure for V/M if they do...

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    Here is Bestiamanova and Bukin in 1984 (the Carmen suite, rather than the old warhorse tunes). Note the assisted running at 1:15.

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk[/url]

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    And Capellini & Lanotte will be doing Carmen this year as well.

    As to memorable ice dance Carmens, one correction: B&B used Polovetsian dances in 1988. They won Worlds & Europeans with Carmen in 1985 (their first world title, since T&D retired after 1984).
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv6ZLSDwbyY[/url]

    Yes, Kylova and Ovsiannakov had my favorite Carmen in 1998 winning their first Worlds:
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oFAnymw0YU[/url]

    and Navka & Kostamarov in 2006
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxAcG1_Pfd8[/url]

    and less well known, it was a great OD by Lang & Tchernshev in 2002
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI9qrdQzlw0[/url]

    And less known, and not ice dance, Orser, Boitano & Witt did an Emmy winning production of Carmen on Ice:

    Part 1
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFep6bm8JdA[/url]
    Part 2
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf8BDja7ryk[/url]
    Part 3
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGv97batpz4[/url]
    Part 4
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RoMxFsGACM[/url]
    Part 5
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRWLWCgvmA0[/url]
    Part 6
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX1lhU_X0TY[/url]
    Part 7
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxxMfqJf61A[/url]
    Part 8
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1F_rOTUIK4[/url]
    Part 9
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMDPWeQBKBo&feature=relmfu[/url]
    Credits & Interviews
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9osfabDWgjo&feature=relmfu[/url]

    There was also a Russian Carmen on Ice show. Here's a part of it:
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPFMOzL_CvM&feature=relmfu[/url]
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 09-06-2012 at 09:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I always worry when I hear that someone is skating to Carmen, but when you think about it, there's a whole heap of music in this opera that goes untouched in most programs, so the possibilities are there for something fresh and new from the opera. Just as long as they stay away from the Habanera and the Toreador Song!
    [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wk9znkL6aA]Dube/Davison tried in the 08/09 season[/url] (also, it's funny that the announcer says they're unfamiliar with 7th place. They were 7th in 2006 and 2007. And 2010).

    In this case, Tessa mentioned they were drawn to the power and passion of Carmen, so I doubt we'll see anything but the most recognizable bits.

    Would I rather they had chosen something else? You bet. But I love V/M so much that I'm confident they'll come through.
    Me too. What did you imagine them skating to?

    One of the drawbacks of Carmen is that the characters in the opera are actually not very sympathetic. You can't really do love team stuff with this music unless you make new characters. Katarina Witt could carry it off, and Angelika Krylova could. (Angelika Krylova could play Lady Macbeth and make you believe it.) In the opera, she destroys him, and he kills her. Are we going to end up yet again with someone sprawled on the ice....
    I love it when figure skating tries for more emotionally contentious terrain (Jeff Buttle's Nagoyqaatsi, for example.) I'd love to see them go for something uber-dramatic (why I was hoping for Masquerade Waltz if they went from a dramatic warhorse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Here is Bestiamanova and Bukin in 1984 (the Carmen suite, rather than the old warhorse tunes). Note the assisted running at 1:15.

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk[/url]
    My favorite, by far. I know in North-America don't like them, but Bestsemionova's passion is unrepeatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post

    I love it when figure skating tries for more emotionally contentious terrain (Jeff Buttle's Nagoyqaatsi, for example.) I'd love to see them go for something uber-dramatic (why I was hoping for Masquerade Waltz if they went from a dramatic warhorse).
    You don't forget Evan's program:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8vqBmzsBR0[/url]

    and Plushy , of course

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhIiisXRBys[/url] in SLC

    but I love this version on Art on ice show, so much passion

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXJ8tupepcw[/url]


    I'm sure V/M program will be great!!!

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    I think people did not include the singles' Carmens because the OT was Ice Dance (or at least partnered) Carmens.

    If singles are to be included, absolutely Katerina Witt's should be mentioned!

    And Kwan used one The Fate of Carmen in 1999
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvQp_cV3xBI[/url]

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv6ZLSDwbyY[/url]

    Krylova and Ovsiannakov had my favorite Carmen in 1998 winning their first Worlds:
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oFAnymw0YU[/url]

    And less known, and not ice dance, Orser, Boitano & Witt did an Emmy winning production of Carmen on Ice:

    Part 1
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFep6bm8JdA[/url]
    Part 2
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf8BDja7ryk[/url]
    Part 3
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGv97batpz4[/url]
    Part 4
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RoMxFsGACM[/url]
    Part 5
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRWLWCgvmA0[/url]
    Part 6
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX1lhU_X0TY[/url]
    Part 7
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxxMfqJf61A[/url]
    Part 8
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1F_rOTUIK4[/url]
    Part 9
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMDPWeQBKBo&feature=relmfu[/url]
    Credits & Interviews
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9osfabDWgjo&feature=relmfu[/url]
    K& O's Carmen - my favorite ice dance version of Carmen

    Carmen on Ice with Katarina, Brian , & Brian - Brilliant!
    Last edited by iluvtodd; 09-07-2012 at 05:11 AM.

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    Oddly, I've only seen one Carmen in Pairs:

    Canadians from 88: [url]http://youtu.be/6nJ2-U0D4Ck[/url] (the male, Lyndon Johnston, actually invented the Natalia spin, made famous by Michkoutienok and Dmitriev)

    I think Carmen definitely lends itself more to dance, because of the definitive roles. I like the fact that V/M are trying this music, because they won't necessarily have to play two lovers. Carmen is full of "person a loves person b, but person b loves person c who could care less" (Micaela loves Jose, who loves Carmen, who loves Escamillo, who loves himself).

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    Moiseeva/Minenkov skated to Carmen at 1977 worlds exhibition.

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi7i-DafWsM[/url]

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