Last edited by Bluebonnet; 09-14-2012 at 12:45 AM.
^^^ Your posts can be 'interestig', but too much anti-COP and anti-Chan ranting is
So we are back to Chan bashing. Folks i think we will see Patricks score drop. Sounds like he has stripped out some of his footwork and transitions without Lori Nichol so unless he picks up heavily the technical elements and artistry I think we may see the end of his domination. We will see wihtotu a technical coach how he does. I just do not understand going with a Kathy Johnson who I do not think really is even a skating choreographer type. I hope this has nothing to do with love or lust.
On a more controversial note I would not mind seeing some great good bye skates from the likes of the French (oddly enough) P and B and Joubert and maybe Carolina Kostner. It will not happen but I think they had their chance in the sun, they have worked hard yes, but so has everyone else - it is time they realize their good fortune and move on.
This rule change to a higher penalty for two-footed landings and weak steps into the solo jump in the short program is actually going back in the direction of 6.0 judging.
Here is Michael Weiss at the 2002 Olympics (skating before a disappointing half-full house, by the way, and in the first-to-skate position that 6.0 also penalized). According to the commentator (Scott Hamilton) he was penalized two points for double-footing the quad in combination and maybe one more point for his steps into the triple Lutz. His tech scores ranged from 4.9 to 5.3 for a pretty good skate with a quad combo and without a fall.
Weiss finished 8th in the SP. Plushenko, with a fall on his quad and no combo (-4 deduction) got fourth.
Last edited by Mathman; 09-14-2012 at 01:10 AM.
You are the "mathman" so I guess you can do the math .
Interesting you mention Plushenko. Where do suppose Plush would have been placed if he fell three times during the SP?
And are you suggesting that Michael Weiss was Plushenko's equal as a skater? Holy cow!
Last edited by janetfan; 09-14-2012 at 08:30 AM.
Chan DESERVES to win with the falls, simply because his skating is better than the others'! His edges are deeper, his choreography is more difficult and has more transitions than anyone else in the world, the quality of his elements is amazing, so the GOEs in the good elements are high enough to counterbalance the mistakes, and I think it's correct. This is the good thing in the CoP system: you don't just have to count the mistakes in the jumps and give deductions, you have to compare the difficulty, the quality, the position of every element, and everything can make the difference, even a step sequence. And, unlike most of you, I like this! Like in 2010, I completely agreed when Lysacek won over Plushy, he was more artistic, more complete, his program had the "full package", Plushy did the jumps and nothing else (at least, for me)... And, let me say that falling is normal when you try a 2-quads/7-triples program, concentrating also on the spins and the steps!
And, sorry, but I don't think Chan's programs is Nice had "huge errors": one silly fall at the end and a popped jump in the FS, a couple of little losses of balance in the SP... who skated better? He deserved that world title (as well as the first)! The crowd that booed him evidently didn't understand anything about this new system...
If a coach of Mishin's stature and experience did not understand the results in Vancouver is there any chance....any chance at all that fans ever will?
Does anyone realisitcally expect for skating to grow and flourish when the majority of casual fans don't understand how winers are determined?
Good luck with that
Last edited by janetfan; 09-14-2012 at 11:04 AM.
Skater Boy, I agree that I'm rather rooting for some of the French skaters this season - I hope Silethe recovers from injury and places top ten at Worlds. I hope Zahorski/Miart have a strong season after last season's injury. I'm hoping Joubert wins CoC and eventually has an Olympics he can be proud of.
1. Peformance/Execution 8.8(Plushy)/8.5(Evan)
2. Choreography/Composition 8.2(Plushy)/8.35(Evan)
3. Interpretation 8.75(Plushy)/8.3(Evan).
It seems Evan wasn't more artistic like Plushy. It's an American delusion, which spread to the American public, it wanted to explain why it was Evan the winner. But it's a big mistake. Evan won because, he was overscored in SP, or Plushy was underscored in SP. Those scores were so close, Evan had chance to win. The judges could calculate very well. The LP scores were correct.
Last edited by plushyfan; 09-14-2012 at 11:13 AM.
Lysacek isn't more artistic than anyone, though he did check off more IJS boxes than Plushenko. None of the men in Vancouver really deserved to win, so I say make Yu-Na the OGM for singles skating and be done with it.
I'm with you re Zahorski/Miart.
Joubert's home rink is shutting down in a couple of weeks and a new one will be built in its place. He's reportedly going to go to Paris - training at Bercy & Champigny-sur-Marne, based out of INSEP. Hopefully the change will work out well - he seemed to be getting back on track at the end of the season, and I'd hate for that to be disrupted.
Last edited by Buttercup; 09-14-2012 at 10:56 AM.
To me, end of his domination this season is not a bad thing for Patrick. He's not used to losing anymore these past two years. It might help him see himself from different perspectives.
My biggest fear for this season: To hear Patrick's detractors scream after each of his competition, "How did he win?!"
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 09-14-2012 at 01:30 PM.