Constable , Costume Police
COSTUMES ! COSTUMES ! Here we go....
Is it time to kick off a costume thread for this season ? I was recently made aware of this very interesting article on icenetwork.com , and it seemed a really good springboard for diving into the costume swamp once again.
Judging from the article , you can see that many skaters do put a lot of thought into their costumes but we know many need to pay more attention .. Sometimes a self designed costume works better than an effort by a well known designer ( Alissa's costumes have often been among the most attractive in a given season ).
I was very impressed with Caro's costumes last year , and wonder why all that money was spent on her previous designer costumes, which , though beautifully artistic if you saw them on a mannequin , were always too short at the back ,and the poor girl often had to suffer the indignity of a wedgie ( not to mention the nipple malfunction of a couple of years ago )..simply not designed ( or executed ?) with athletic activity foremost in mind. It was as if, to the designer , Caro was a vehicle for the costume , instead of the costume being an accessory to her skating ..
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Her own efforts? Very simple, yet elegant .. and no malfunctions..
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Then again, sometimes you want to scream "Please ! Go to a professional !"
Savchenko /Szokolwy :
Zhiganshina / Gazsi :
Both repeat offenders,for me..( But S/S's last year's FD costume was lovely )
There are trends that crop up and either hang on seemingly forever ( what's with the gloves ?)..or fade and then get brought back with a vengeance. Some , I hope, will never see the light of day again...such as the "Trapped in Tulle and Tatters" look of the late '90s-early 2000s
Fusar Poli /Margalio :
Lobacheva /Averbukh :
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Bourne /Kraatz :
...Or the "Split Personality" ( better known in my family as another half-a**ed effort )
Jeremy Abbott :
I suppose at a stretch, Caro's chartreuse / green dress from last year could be said to be in this category, although the neckline and sleeves are the same on both sides.. which goes to show that sometimes it's not the most basic design idea that's bad , necessarily..but that people can't resist going overboard with it. Too much decoration , a too extreme difference between the two halves.
Both Jeremy and Kanako's efforts were extremely distracting..and it doesn't matter if they had some rationale for the designs... If the costume makes it more diffucult to fully appreciate the skating , it's not your friend.
I want to move on to make a start on the costumes we're beginning to see this year, but I'll have to do it in sections, as this is getting mighty long....but I love the Nick Verreos quote at the close of the article about uniforms.. I think it might be wise for skaters to use this word to themselves sometimes ,instead of "costume"... It might help some of them to employ a little restraint , now and then.
Also, I noticed that under the Jeremy Abbot photo was a Nick Verreos article..
..in which he makes the point ( with some examples) that a costume is often reworked as the season progresses. ( and sometimes we've seen not just a slight reworking of the idea, but something completely different )
I think we should remind ourselves of this as we move into the season..you know, before we or at first viewing.
And for me, every costume has to answer these questions..Does it flatter the skater ? Can the skater move freely in it , without fear of malfunction ? Can we clearly see the skaters movements ? Does it relate to the music or theme ?
I'll have to come back with the next bit..but .. jump in guys..( you know you want to..)
Last edited by colleen o'neill; 09-11-2012 at 03:14 AM.
Am I the only one who liked S/S's Pink Panther's costumes? I think the colors were perfect for the music and they were well-designed... And, for me, Caro's dresses last season were close to perfection, her FS's one was simply perfect for her, for the music, for the choreography, it was HER dress! You could see that she loved performing wearing it, it gave her confidence! And, may I share one of the worst costumes from last season? This: [url]http://searchsafer.com/imgdetail.php?imgsite_url=http://ameblo.jp/9216kana/entry-11217035698.html&img_path=http://shimmerzoo.img.jugem.jp/20120122_2237616.jpg&imgh=600&imgw=400&imgsize=258 .2&imgtype=jpeg&qsearch=mao%20asada%20sheherazade[/url]! I think those pants were too evident, you were forced to watch them instead of Mao! Then there is obviously the Yu-Na/Akiko dress [url]http://searchsafer.com/imgdetail.php?imgsite_url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiko_Suzuki&img_path=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/2012_WFSC_07d_1077_Akiko_Suzuki.JPG/220px-2012_WFSC_07d_1077_Akiko_Suzuki.JPG&imgh=341&imgw= 220&imgsize=17.8&imgtype=jpeg&qsearch=akiko%20suzu ki%202012[/url]... What I would like to see in the costumes next season? Originality, new ideas, something elegant so see but with the courage to try!
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Always. While the ISU has been kind to put up all the JGP's for viewing, I'm still tapping my toes waiting for the GP to begin! A good costume thread can always pass some time.
One thing that always puzzles me is why some costumes often obviously don't fit, and yet are not altered over the season. I'm not talking about hand me down costumes, here, and there are more of those than you'd think. And I'm not talking about something that proved to be not quite right at it's first outing, and it was too late to fix it. From time to time, you'll see a dress that just fits wrong across the back in puckers. Next outing, there it is again. In fact, it will be there all season.
Is it impossible to fix something like thiat? If you paid a professional to make a costume, I would see it as something they should fix for free, since proper fit should be a requirement.
One thing that interested me about the article was the comment that Meryl Davis's mother is quite involved in her costumes during the design phase. I do know that Meryl users the same designers that she has used since she was nine, a pair of Michigan women. And yet Meryl is nearly always is turned out very nicely.
I wonder whether this is a place where all the mothers should be involved. After all a skater can't see that pucker across the back themselves, and clearly some of the profestionals don't care about it.
As to handme downs, I'm not the most noticing person about this, but it used to be that Jerrod Swallow's toreador coat from their paso doble would appear near every time it was appropriate to be worn by a Junior boy in the Detroit area. The girls hand outfits down too. Strangely enough, quite often the altered outfit looks better fitted than some of the new ones
As to this year, one thing that bugs me, but perhaps should not is overly literal costumes.
Here's an example; you take one look at this skater and it is obvious she is skating to Autumn Leaves, because they are attached all over the costume. I'm never sure whether it's nice to know what they are skating to before they begin, or whether the overliteralness is over the top.
Well she could have been skating to the Four Seasons: Autumn.
Here's another really literal costume, which was so silly, I liked it, Pechalat & Bourzat's costumes for Four Seasons. She was summer & winter and he was Autumn & Spring:
A good shot for seeing Nathalie's costume. I definitely like the snow flakes on the bootcovers!
A better shot for seeing Fabian's outfit
Last edited by dorispulaski; 09-11-2012 at 04:22 AM.
I usually don't like the costumes of Japanese skaters, in particular the boy's clothes are horrible. On the contrary I really liked Dai's and Hanyu's costumes in last season. I also don't like Caro's costumes, and I agree with those,who say Alissa's costumes are the most beautiful. I really- really don't like Joubert's outfit. In general I like the original costumes, as the french mummy outfit in last season. The Russian costumes sometimes are too flamboyant, they think they are on the stage of Bolshoi Theater. But I like almost all costumes of Plushy ( what a surprise! ).
Last edited by plushyfan; 09-11-2012 at 09:13 AM.
This is always a big and interesting topic.
Caro's pants last season was daring. As a rule of my, I don't like ladies wearing tight body suit. But she has shown a rare and perfect curve. I agree Caro's dresses were too short.
Alissa Czisny is always perfect.
Alissa's dresses are OFTEN beautiful, but I think her last season's FS costume, the second one, was really sad and horrible, it looked like lingerie, for me ([url]http://search.babylon.com/imageres.php?iu=http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Alissa%2BCzisny%2B2012%2BFigure%2BSkating%2BChampi onships%2BY4_TYx2RSzql.jpg&ir=http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/6bMpQ528qm4/2012+Figure+Skating+Championships+Day+3/Y4_TYx2RSzq/Alissa+Czisny&ig=http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6MyfWTZrvz4N9DkhjaBhr04VXz25fI xUkqatYZ5GDuR8_eX6expDcqHlN&h=396&w=594&q=alissa+c zisny+2012&babsrc=NT_ss[/url]), when the first one ([url]http://search.babylon.com/imageres.php?iu=http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Sports/7211d66447e247508b019ad3c1a75054.jpg&ir=http://abcnews.go.com/meta/search/imageDetail?format=plain&source=http://abcnews.go.com/images/Sports/7211d66447e247508b019ad3c1a75054&ig=http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLzUyqPzewGKiduQJ2FUDzT1-I7plv4eX3WlXtEY4SW6g8APikmTyG-Q2F&h=512&w=309&q=alissa+czisny+2011+skate+america &babsrc=NT_ss[/url]) was simply perfect for her music!
Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
and... World Peace!
I think she wore black and white stripes at the Too Hot To Skate show... For her marilyn routine... I'll see if I can find my tape.
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We are now half-way through the 2012/13 Grand Prix Series and, except for Polina Korobeynikova (16), we have now seen all the Russian Ladies singles skaters that are taking part in the series once. So, on the eve of the Cup of Russia, I thought that this would be an opportune time to point out something I have noticed, and am getting a bit concerned about.
We all know that there is a very tough competition between the Russian girls to claim 1 of the 3 places in the teams being sent to the European and World Championships. However, is it just me, or is there also a competition between the Russian girls as to who will wear the most revealing outfit?
The thing that is concerning me is that it seems to be the younger members of the Russian team that seem to be wearing the most revealing outfits.
Alena Leonova (at 21 the oldest of the girls) has not worn anything revealing. But, given that she came 2nd in last year's World Championships, Alena is probably the most sure of a place in the team. Ksenia Makarova (the next oldest at 19) is only included in this discussion because of something beyond her control that in future can be easily prevented. And Sofia Biryukova (the 3rd oldest at 18) is only included in this discussion because of something I found funny.
As this is a family website, I will not go into any really detailed descriptions of the outfits, or post photos. But, at the same time, I will not be too vague as to not get my point across. So, I hope that this reaches the appropriate balance between the two!
Alena Leonova (21)
Skate America FS: This may seem a bit back to front, but I watched the Skate America Free before the Short (blame Eurosport!), so it makes more sense to me dealing with this competition this way! Anyway, back to the point. Beautiful dress. Nothing wrong with it.
Skate America SP: Beautiful dress. Nothing wrong with it.
Adelina Sotnikova (16)
Skate America FS: Althpugh the whole of the upper torso of the dress was transparent, it was not to the extent that you could see anything. What concerned me more was just how figure-hugging it was. I've seen figure-hugging dresses before, but not quite as figure-hugging as this. A girl of her age should not be wearing a dress like that.
Skate America SP: OK, so the transparent areas were not as extensive as the outfit she wore in the Free, but they were positioned in areas that should NEVER be transparent, regardless of the wearer's age.
It wouldn't have been so bad if she had done like some other skaters and worn something underneath the dress (even just a bra). But, she didn't.
Polina Shelepen (17)
Skate Canada SP: Like Adelina, the transparent areas of the dress were too extensive. The difference was that Polina's transparent areas were lower down than Adelina's. But, at least Polina's dress had tassels which helped hide the transparent areas.
Skate Canada FS: I don't think I've ever seen a skater wear a dress with as low a neck line as that. I have to admit, I was worried for the jumps! But, my worries were unfounded. Polina continued the theme of having the transparency lower down by wearing a transparent skirt. But, it was actually quite a nice skirt, and it didn't show anything, so there's no problems there.
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva (15)
Skate Canada SP: Beautiful dress. Nothing wrong with it.
Skate Canada FS: I absolutely love Liza, but I am just not sure about her wearing a dress (beautiful though it is) that shows off of her "assets" as much as this dress does. You have to remember that she is not even 16 yet.
Ksenia Makarova (19)
Skate Canada SP: Beautiful dress. Nothing wrong with it.
Skate Canada FS: Again, beautiful dress. Nothing wrong with it. The only problem was that you could see that the coldness of the air was affecting Ksenia. But, nothing that an extra layer underneath the dress wouldn't fix…
Sofia Biryukova (18)
Cup Of China SP: Beautiful dress. Although the transparent areas are quite extensive, there is nothing wrong with them as they are well positioned. I just included Sofia in this discussion as I wanted to point out that I found it funny how similar Sofia's SP outfit was to Brian Joubert's SP outfit!
Cup Of China FS: Beautiful outfit. Nothing wrong with it.
Julia Lipnitskaia (14)
Cup Of China SP: Beautiful outfit. Nothing wrong with it. When I saw this outfit, I thought "Thank goodness Julia hasn't joined in with the other young Russian girls. She's far too young for that sort of carry on!" I spoke too soon…
Cup Of China FS: A bit like Adelina's FS dress in that the transparent areas were not as extensive as they could have been, but were positioned in areas that should NOT be transparent! But, at least Julia's transparent areas were patterned, which helped protect her modesty.
In conclusion, I feel that the younger Russian Ladies singles skaters are playing a very dangerous game. They are all excellent skaters, so they do not need to resort to wearing revealing outfits to get noticed. At the end of the day, it will be their skating talents that earn them a place in the teams for the Europeans and the Worlds, not what they are wearing.
Sorry for being controversial so soon after joining, but I felt this issue needed to be raised. Frankly, this trend needs to be nipped in the bud before it gets any further.
Last edited by CaroLiza_fan; 11-16-2012 at 02:08 AM.
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Just thought I would add an update to my previous [URL="http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?p=675628#post675628"]comment[/URL].
Firstly, I was a bit dismayed that Adelina Sotnikova wore the same costumes at the Cup of Russia that she wore at Skate America. You would have thought that she would have chosen a different SP costume after seeing just how much of her chest you could see through the side of that dress.
At the time I wrote the original comment, I hadn't watched any of the gala exhibitions. But, I have now watched the Skate America gala, and I would just like to say that I thought Adelina's gala dress was absolutely beautiful. Something similar for the competitions would have been a lot more appropriate.
I have just hunted down videos from earlier competitions in the 2012/13 season and, as a result, I have a theory. I am starting to get the impression that the other Russian girls were perhaps responding to Adelina being so daring with her costumes in Skate America.
At the end of September, Adelina competed at the Nebelhorn trophy. Now, in all 3 of her performances in Oberstdorf, Adelina wore different outfits to what she wore in her Grand Prix appearances. And none of them were at all revealing.
Polina Shelepen was also at Oberstdorf, and although she wore the same FS costume as at Skate Canada, her SP costume was different. Whereas the dress she wore in Canada was largely transparent with tassels over, her costume in Germany was much more like what we are used to seeing - with skin-coloured areas rather than transparent areas.
It was the same with Julia Lipnitskaia at the Finlandia Trophy at the start of October. Julia wore the same SP costume as at the Cup of China, but her FS costume was different. Like Polina Shelepen in Germany, Julia's FS costume in Finland was more like what we are used to. Although her Finlandia dress did have transparent areas, they were positioned in the area we traditionally find them - the midriff.
So, it seems to me that the Russian girls saw Adelina's new costumes at Skate America, and some of them thought "Oh. We'll have to wear something daring as well if we want to get noticed enough to get into the team".
I'm not sure how accurate my theory is, but it seems plausible.
Also, since I wrote my comment, we have seen Polina Korobeynikova's first performance of the Grand Prix series. So here is my verdict on her costumes at the Cup of Russia.
Polina Korobeynikova (16)
Polina K did not wear anything revealing at the Cup of Russia. In fact, she wore two very beautiful dresses. But, what impressed me more was her skating. She has improved immensely since the appearances I saw from her last year. Perhaps Polina K is the dark horse in the race for a place in the Russian team at the Europeans and Worlds…
But, as I said in my previous comment, I hope that this trend for revealing costumes is nipped in the bud sooner rather than later. It is just taking away from the excellent skating that we want to see.
Last edited by CaroLiza_fan; 11-16-2012 at 02:11 AM.
^I didn't notice the inappropriateness of those costumes until it was pointed out. I can see why they might be pressured to appear older, since many people say things like they lack maturity in artistry/presentation.
I loved Kanako's short program dress:
Beautiful variation of colors on the floaty skirt and a one-shoulder pale blue top with silver details
It reminded me a lot of Yukina Ota's, hers matched the organic, impressionistic Daphnis & Chloe music well:
Akiko Suzuki's long program dress this season is one of the most stunning bird-theme costumes, I think:
Also like Ashley Wagner's long program dress, it looks really good on her.
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Right, hopefully this will be the final comment I post on this matter.
Mmmm. All I can say is that Julia certainly put on some very mature performances in Paris this weekend - she was absolutely sensational!!! :D But, I know what you are getting at!
Originally Posted by avalyn
Anyway, back what I was planning to write.
I just wanted to say that I was delighted to see that for their 2nd GP series appearance in France, Julia and Liza both wore different dresses in the FS to the ones that I was complaining about.
Liza's dress in particular was absolutely beautiful! (but, I would say that, wouldn't I?!) It was very similar to her Skate Canada FS dress, except that instead of the plunging neckline, it had a red patterned area which contrasted brilliantly with the black of the rest of her dress.
Although Liza wore her Canadian FS dress for her gala performance in France, I actually liked it under the gala lighting! It looked a lot more impressive than it did under the normal lighting, and it no longer looked like she was just trying to "show off her 'assets' " (as I put it in my original comment in this thread).
It's amazing the difference that the gala lighting can make. I know she's not Russian or a teenager, but take the completely transparent dress that Ashley Wagner wore in her gala performances this year. I haven't seen it in normal light, but I would imagine that it would look a little bit desperate. But, under the gala lighting, it looks really impressive.
And as for Julia, I loved the colour of her dress at Paris. It was the same colour as the dress that she wore for her FS at the Finlandia Trophy, but it was a lot nicer. The Finlandia dress had a very low neckline (a bit like Polina Shelepen's FS top), but the French dress not only had a higher neckline, but also had a nice lacey bit above it.
Oh, and I just realised that I forgot to mention in my original comment that there was another Russian teenager that was wearing a top in their Skate Canada SP that was too transparent …
So, it's not just the girls that are at it!!!
Last edited by CaroLiza_fan; 11-26-2012 at 02:28 PM.
Reason: Just discovered I have been using the wrong auto-text for the "big grin" emoticon!