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    Free Dance JGP Austria 2012

    Order of Skate for the Free Dance

    Link to the live listing for results:
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/jgpaut2012/SEG008.HTM

    Warm-Up Group 1
    1 Rebecca KEMPT / Luke RUSSEL GBR 14 30.25
    2 Aleksandra KATKOVA / Radoslaw BARSZCZAK POL 16 26.55
    3 Ayesha CAMPBELL / Shane SPEDEN NZL 15 28.57
    4 Olga JAKUSHINA / Aleksandrs GRISHINS LAT 13 31.29

    Warm-Up Group 2
    5 Whitney MILLER / Kyle MACMILLAN USA 9 41.78
    6 Viktoria KAVALIOVA / Yurii BIELIAIEV BLR 11 41.12
    7 Alessia BUSI / Andrea FABBRI ITA 12 39.58
    8 Magalie LEININGER / Maxime CAUREL FRA 10 41.43

    Warm-Up Group 3
    9 Maria SIMONOVA / Dmitriy DRAGUN RUS 8 43.04
    10 Shari KOCH / Christian NUECHTERN GER 5 47.84
    11 Karolina PROCHAZKOVA / Michal CESKA CZE 6 46.31
    12 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR 7 44.54

    Warm-Up Group 4
    13 Mackenzie BENT / Garrett MACKEEN CAN 2 54.31
    14 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 1 59.19
    15 Anna YANOVSKAYA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS 3 54.30
    16 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA 4 51.07

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    It's under way!
    Results so far:

    Free Dance
    1 Maria SIMONOVA / Dmitriy DRAGUN RUS 66.31 33.54 32.77 5.50 5.32 5.54 5.54 5.50 0.00 #9
    2 Magalie LEININGER / Maxime CAUREL FRA 60.17 32.66 28.51 4.68 4.54 4.82 5.00 4.89 1.00 #8
    3 Whitney MILLER / Kyle MACMILLAN USA 56.03 27.69 28.34 4.71 4.54 4.79 4.89 4.82 0.00 #5
    4 Viktoria KAVALIOVA / Yurii BIELIAIEV BLR 52.78 25.09 28.69 4.93 4.61 4.71 4.82 4.93 1.00 #6
    5 Alessia BUSI / Andrea FABBRI ITA 52.23 25.74 28.49 4.79 4.61 4.68 4.89 4.86 2.00 #7
    6 Aleksandra KATKOVA / Radoslaw BARSZCZAK POL 43.37 23.13 20.24 3.50 3.25 3.32 3.64 3.21 0.00 #2
    7 Olga JAKUSHINA / Aleksandrs GRISHINS LAT 42.48 22.07 22.41 4.00 3.50 3.75 3.82 3.71 2.00 #4
    8 Rebecca KEMPT / Luke RUSSEL GBR 40.96 21.60 19.36 3.36 3.07 3.25 3.43 3.11 0.00 #1
    9 Ayesha CAMPBELL / Shane SPEDEN NZL 40.27 20.49 20.78 3.64 3.21 3.57 3.54 3.50 1.00 #3

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    i hope Yanovskaia-mozgov will win the gold...

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    1 Shari KOCH / Christian NUECHTERN GER 69.72 34.01 35.71 6.11 5.71 6.04 6.04 6.00 0.00 #10

    Into first place overall, and first in the FD so far. Six teams left to go.

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    Last edited by dorispulaski; 09-14-2012 at 12:20 PM.

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    Ok, I have to say that I don't understand these judges, I read all the regulations, I understand all the technical issues, I watched ice dancign for many years, and I still can't understand how are these couple scored... Can someone please explain me how Papadakis-Cizeron won with that emotionless, lifeless and technically easy program with a great score over Yanovskaya-Mozgov?

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    I'll give it a try after I have watched the two programs.

    The protocols should be up soon, and they should spread some light on the issue.

    Although the FD scores may be questionable, remember Y&M were severely behind after the SD. Y&M would have had to have won by over 4 points to have won overall.




    Here's the FD results

    1 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 82.89 40.21 42.68 7.21 6.89 7.25 7.18 7.18 0.00 #14
    2 Anna YANOVSKAYA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS 80.72 39.40 41.32 7.04 6.68 6.86 7.04 6.93 0.00 #15
    3 Mackenzie BENT / Garrett MACKEEN CAN 74.85 37.14 37.71 6.36 6.07 6.39 6.43 6.32 0.00 #13
    4 Shari KOCH / Christian NUECHTERN GER 69.72 34.01 35.71 6.11 5.71 6.04 6.04 6.00 0.00 #10
    5 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR 69.64 34.69 34.95 5.93 5.61 6.00 5.79 5.93 0.00 #12
    6 Karolina PROCHAZKOVA / Michal CESKA CZE 67.27 35.87 34.40 5.86 5.57 5.71 5.86 5.75 3.00 #11
    7 Maria SIMONOVA / Dmitriy DRAGUN RUS 66.31 33.54 32.77 5.50 5.32 5.54 5.54 5.50 0.00 #9
    8 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA 62.98 28.11 35.87 6.11 5.86 6.00 6.04 5.93 1.00 #16
    9 Magalie LEININGER / Maxime CAUREL FRA 60.17 32.66 28.51 4.68 4.54 4.82 5.00 4.89 1.00 #8
    10 Whitney MILLER / Kyle MACMILLAN USA 56.03 27.69 28.34 4.71 4.54 4.79 4.89 4.82 0.00 #5
    11 Viktoria KAVALIOVA / Yurii BIELIAIEV BLR 52.78 25.09 28.69 4.93 4.61 4.71 4.82 4.93 1.00 #6
    12 Alessia BUSI / Andrea FABBRI ITA 52.23 25.74 28.49 4.79 4.61 4.68 4.89 4.86 2.00 #7
    13 Aleksandra KATKOVA / Radoslaw BARSZCZAK POL 43.37 23.13 20.24 3.50 3.25 3.32 3.64 3.21 0.00 #2
    14 Olga JAKUSHINA / Aleksandrs GRISHINS LAT 42.48 22.07 22.41 4.00 3.50 3.75 3.82 3.71 2.00 #4
    15 Rebecca KEMPT / Luke RUSSEL GBR 40.96 21.60 19.36 3.36 3.07 3.25 3.43 3.11 0.00 #1
    16 Ayesha CAMPBELL / Shane SPEDEN NZL 40.27 20.49 20.78 3.64 3.21 3.57 3.54 3.50 1.00 #3



    Final placements

    1 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 142.08 1 1
    2 Anna YANOVSKAYA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS 135.02 3 2
    3 Mackenzie BENT / Garrett MACKEEN CAN 129.16 2 3
    4 Shari KOCH / Christian NUECHTERN GER 117.56 5 4
    5 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR 114.18 7 5
    6 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA 114.05 4 8
    7 Karolina PROCHAZKOVA / Michal CESKA CZE 113.58 6 6
    8 Maria SIMONOVA / Dmitriy DRAGUN RUS 109.35 8 7
    9 Magalie LEININGER / Maxime CAUREL FRA 101.60 10 9
    10 Whitney MILLER / Kyle MACMILLAN USA 97.81 9 10
    11 Viktoria KAVALIOVA / Yurii BIELIAIEV BLR 93.90 11 11
    12 Alessia BUSI / Andrea FABBRI ITA 91.81 12 12
    13 Olga JAKUSHINA / Aleksandrs GRISHINS LAT 73.77 13 14
    14 Rebecca KEMPT / Luke RUSSEL GBR 71.21 14 15
    15 Aleksandra KATKOVA / Radoslaw BARSZCZAK POL 69.92 16 13
    16 Ayesha CAMPBELL / Shane SPEDEN NZL 68.84 15 16
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    [QUOTE=dorispulaski;659809]
    Although the FD scores may be questionable, remember Y&M were severely behind after the SD. Y&M would have had to have won by over 4 points to have won overall.
    What I don't undertsand is not why P/C won the overall score, but why were they ranked first in the FD: Y/M's looked a lot better to me, at least artistically, they deserved the highest PCS!

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    Protocols are now up:

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/jg..._FD_Scores.pdf

    P&C got credit for a base technical score of 34.20. They received level 3 for both step sequences, the twizzles, and the spin.

    Y&M had a base score of 33.70. They received level 2 for one of the step sequences and level 3 for the other step and for the spin, but level 4 for the twizzles.

    A problem with the step sequence in dance often seems to accompany a drop in PCS, which in almost all judging panels is indexed to skating skills. It should not be so, but it is.

    As this thread (which is an in depth discussion of how PCS is graded) brought out, over half of the PCS scores are actually technical items, not presentation items.

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...ules-2011-2012

    Looking at protocols, there were a lot of deductions taken at this event:

    OUCH -Prochazkova & Ceska got 3 penalties - costume failure, illegal extra element & an extended lift.

    The Parsons did not get credit for one of their lifts, and took a deduction for it as an extra element. What was supposed to be a Curved Lift got called a Straight Line Lift

    Leninger & Caurel, Speden & Campbell, and Kavaliova & Bieliaiev each got a deduction for an extended lift.

    Busi & Fabbri had two falls.

    Katkova & Grishins had a costume failure and an extended lift.



    That said, I'm off to watch the competition.
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    Actually, I'm OK with the numbers. But then I didn't find the Y&M program artistically superior.

    P&C skate smoother, without throwing up snow from the blades. They look faster, too. Both of these things give you a higher skating skills score.

    Y&M had a good twizzle, and a good first lift, but it went down hill a bit from there. Y&M are particularly not good at getting smoothly in and out of lifts, and having the lifts look like an integral part of the program. During step sequences, Y&M don't have particularly good extension of their legs, and their feet are often hanging unappealingly off their ankles when their toes should be pointed.

    The audio on these youtube files is particularly bad here, so I can't comment very much on the relative musicality or timing of the two teams.

    BTW, what was that piece Y&M were skating to. Do you know?

    I would have had P&C ahead. But then I like Pink Floyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    BTW, what was that piece Y&M were skating to. Do you know?

    I would have had P&C ahead. But then I like Pink Floyd.
    I only recognize the first song Y&M skated to. I think it's this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ3047IX5cY

    I also liked P&C more.(both the program and the skate itself)

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    Ouch about the deductions for the Czech dancers. Did a bead fall off Karolina Prochazkova's dress or something and cause the stop? Ceska looked so confused after the whistle stopped them. Then they seemed to be having issues getting the music to start where they wanted it. Also, where was the "extra lift"? The flip part at the end?

    I can see why they called Parsons/Parsons' lift as straight line instead of curved, though, as much as it sucks to lose points for it. I could see that Michael was trying to curve but his blades didn't get in at the right positions and to fix it would have meant aborting the lift.

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    ICE DANCE COMPETITION - VIDEOS & RESULT

    1. Gabriella PAPADAKIS & Guillaume CIZERON (FRA) - 142.08
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    2. Anna YANOVSKAYA & Sergey MOZGOV (RUS) - 135.02
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    3. Mackenzie BENT & Garrett MACKEEN (CAN) - 129.16
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    4. Shari KOCH & Christian NUECHTERN (GER) - 117.56
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    5. Alexandra NAZAROVA & Maxim NIKITIN (UKR) - 114.18
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    6. Rachel PARSONS & Michael PARSONS (USA) - 114.05
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    7. Karolina PROCHAZKOVA & Michal CESKA (CZE) - 113.58
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    8. Maria SIMONOVA & Dmitriy DRAGUN (RUS) - 109.35
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    9. Magalie LEININGER & Maxime CAUREL (FRA) - 101.60
    Short Dance, Free Dance
    10. Whitney MILLER & Kyle MACMILLAN (USA) - 97.81
    Short Dance, Free Dance

    Protocols - Short Dance, Protocols - Free Dance

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