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Thread: State of American Ladies: 2012-13 Season

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    What good is it to have a promising young skater like Gracie if she is not seen at SA?

    How does it help raise interest or establish Gracie as a future star if her own federation won;t showcase her at Skate America?

    I would also stick Gracie in a 2nd tough as possible GP event

    Sochi is next season - protecting Gracie makes no sense at all. She is either the real deal or not.
    they are more like testing Gracie and not protecting her
    look at her assignments, they are letter her familiarize by competing in Russia
    as Sochi draws near

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    Sadly, the average American won't see Gracie at Skate America, even if she was assigned there, since the average American only really pays attention to skating every four years.

    I disagree with the ensuring an easy path for your skater to GPF way of handing out assignments, but this is USFS' way of ensuring that both girls, or all girls have a chance to make it to a bigger stage than Skate America--the Grand Prix final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    they are more like testing Gracie and not protecting her
    look at her assignments, they are letter her familiarize by competing in Russia
    as Sochi draws near
    Ok - a fair point.

    Personally I would rather give Americans a chance to see Gracie at SA.

    Geez...her name alone....."Gold" brings back memories....

    Am I being unfair to Gracie?

    It is not my intention....

    I think if Americans actually get to see Gracie they might show a bit of enthusiasm again for figure skating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    Sadly, the average American won't see Gracie at Skate America, even if she was assigned there, since the average American only really pays attention to skating every four years.

    I disagree with the ensuring an easy path for your skater to GPF way of handing out assignments, but this is USFS' way of ensuring that both girls, or all girls have a chance to make it to a bigger stage than Skate America--the Grand Prix final.
    I agree with you ....except it is not true that the GPF has more interest in USA than Skate America.

    While it is true in the CoP era Skate America has fallen far of the radar in USA - let's be honest here - the GPF is not on the radar at all.

    Zip, zilch, nada, bupkus.....capice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    If Gracie medaled or won at SA and then did well at Natls she could become a "star" of sorts. Or atleast have a chance....

    If Americans don't get a chance to see her how can she become a "star."

    Can you explain that - or anything you write?

    How about some deeper thinking and more honest thoughts - as opposed to just disagreeing with me for the heck of it
    I am as honest as I can be. I do not just want to disagree with you for the purpose of disagreeing with you. Why can't you see that to have a reigning National Junior Champion beat the reigning National Champion is a disservice for the entire US ladies figure skating? It's like women's tennis without Serena Williams. Each grand slam has a new face. That's why there were no stars in women's tennis for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    I am as honest as I can be. I do not just want to disagree with you by disagreeing with you. Why can't you see that to have a reigning National Junior Champion beat the reigning National Champion is a deservice for the entire US ladies figure skating? It's like women's tennis without Serena Williams. Each grand slam has a new face. That's why there were no stars in women's tennis for a while.
    Look, get back to me when you realize comparing Serena and tennis to Ashley and skating is like comparing gold to dirt.

    Serena received 2.1 million dollars for winning the US Open.

    What did Ashley get for winning the US Ladies Figure Skating championship last season?

    I bet it didn;t even cover her expenses.....

    But bringing up a comparison between a successful sport and a struggling sport is good....

    Now is typically the time to hear from posters who bring on terms like "mission statement" and "for the benefit of participating skaters."

    If it is true "the meek shall inherit the earth" isn't it also true "the strong will win skating championships"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Ok - a fair point.

    Personally I would rather give Americans a chance to see Gracie at SA.

    Geez...her name alone....."Gold" brings back memories....

    Am I being unfair to Gracie?

    It is not my intention....

    I think if Americans actually get to see Gracie they might show a bit of enthusiasm again for figure skating.
    Gold has the IT factor, but they are letting her get competition
    surely I don't think it would have been wise for both Ashley and Gracie competing in SA
    not to mention one might miss going to GPF for that matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
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    Gold has the IT factor, but they are letting her get competition
    surely I don't think it would have been wise for both Ashley and Gracie competing in SA
    not to mention one might miss going to GPF for that matter
    We have different ideas about what is wise.
    No big deaL.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    I am as honest as I can be. I do not just want to disagree with you by disagreeing with you. Why can't you see that to have a reigning National Junior Champion beat the reigning National Champion is a deservice for the entire US ladies figure skating? It's like women's tennis without Serena Williams. Each grand slam has a new face. That's why there were no stars in women's tennis for a while.
    If both Gracie and Ashley do well on the Grand Prix, which is certainly everyone's hopes, then there'll be a bit more hype by the time they do compete. Ideally, though not necessarily likely, they'd face off at the Grand Prix Final. Regardless, they'll face off at nationals. Why would it be a disservice for US Figure Skating for Gold to beat Wagner? They have to skate against each other some time. Good competition is usually a service to the skater as it gives them incentive to improve.

    US Figure Skating usually tends to spread the assignments out among their top skaters, and usuallly only one of the top three will be in any given Grand Prix before the final. That way they have the most opportunities to qualify for the final. Additionally, the national champion is almost always at Skate America. If they consider Gracie the next best skater or the third best skater, it's unlikely they'd send her to Skate America to have to battle for points with Ashley. It makes complete sense to me. Why don't we wait to see who wins nationals this year at the senior level before deciding if Gracie should get better treatment than the current national champion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Look, get back to me when you realize comparing Serena and tennis to Ashley and skating is like comparing gold to dirt.

    Serena received 2.1 million dollars for winning the US Open.

    What did Ashley get for winning the US Ladies Figure Skating Gold last season?
    I've realized that it is the "dirt" that you love and spent time on the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    I've realized that it is the "dirt" that you love and spent time on the most.
    Brilliant reply dear. Thanks for sharing your humor with the forum.

    BTW, gardening is a serious hobby of mine - I love good dirt.....but am not silly enough to think a comparison between Serena and Ashley would do anything but make US Skating look exceptionaly feeble.

    Uh-oh - am I too negative?

    Consider this - I remember when skaters like Peggy, Janet and Dorothy made much more than tennis players - male or female.
    I remember when skaters captured the imagination of the American public - and yes, they were stars!

    This is what I grew up with - and yes, it makes me sad that no one knows or cares about skating anymore in USA.


    If I had a nickel for every post I read at GS that said "America has no stars - that's why skating is struggling"- I would have beaucoups nickels.

    My opinion is that Gracie is not being handled any better than Mirai was by US Skating.

    Skating stars don't grow on trees. When there is a chance to have one it needs to be maximized - especially by a federation struggling to maintain public interest and fan support.
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    Skating stars don't grow on trees. When there is a chance to have one it needs to be maximized - especially by a federation struggling to maintain public interest and fan support.
    The flip side of this - the other extreme if you will - is pre-anointing skaters before they have a chance to show any real results. Now, have we seen this happen anywhere before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    The flip side of this - the other extreme if you will - is pre-anointing skaters before they have a chance to show any real results. Now, have we seen this happen anywhere before?
    Your favorite - Kimmie Meisner comes to mind.....
    But I don't see how giving her every chance hurt her career.

    I did say in my previous post "maximizing" when I should have said "nurturing and maximizing"

    I don't think Mirai was either nurtured or maximized after Vancouver.

    But hey - part of it depends on the skater......

    Hiding Gracie and keeping her out of SA in the name of "GPF strategy" feels downright STUPID to me.

    Part of it is timing - it's not Gracie or US Skating's fault that Sochi is next season.

    But if I had any say in this I would be looking at Gracie as a potential STAR and would want her at a struggling Skate America.

    Do you disagree? If so , why? I love serious replies.....
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    Your favorite - Kimmie Meisner comes to mind...
    Ok...for the millionth time:

    SHE IS NOT MY FAVORITE!

    Got it? Good.

    Now, as for Gold, I already see the hype starting to build, so if she delivers on results, have no fear...she WILL be promoted endlessly. In fact, you may even get sick of hearing about her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Ok...in case you didn't understand the last 50 times I told you, I'll say it a 51st time:

    SHE IS NOT MY FAVORITE!

    Got it? Good.

    Now, as for Gold, I already see the hype starting to build, so if she delivers on results, have no fear...she WILL be promoted endlessly. In fact, you may even get sick of hearing about her.
    Sorry - as my posts about the CoP prove - I am a slow leaner.

    But what in the world are you talking about
    Are you talking about hype on skating boards - or something more like seeing Dorothy on a Clairol TV commercial 2-3 times a night?

    Quite frankly I don't think you have a clue about marketing, and exposure vs over-exposure.

    RD, I assure you I have never ......and will never get sick of hearing about a star skater.
    Then again, I grew up with Peggy, Janet and Dorothy who were stars and sporting icons in USA.

    Sadly, your experience is much different.

    But I hope it changes in the future as I know you really care about skating.

    Can you expound on how you would handle Gracie?

    Yes - I am asking for some original thoughts ,,,,this is not a trick question




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