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Thread: State of American Ladies: 2012-13 Season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    If only Hicks could smooth over her basic skating she could be a force in the future. She's certainly athletic enough with those explosive jumps but i haven't seen much improvement with her posture or bladework and she always seems like she's in a hurry and everything is rushed. It's good to see her overcome that bad injury though.
    Hicks just turned 17 in December. She has time to work on the rest of her skating, the jumps are already fabulous and bear in mind she was out with an injury for almost all of last season. I think she could be a contender in the future for sure, I remember in juniors her presentation seemed pretty decent.

    Also I love Polina Edmunds. She is a star, a wonderful mix of Kostner and Bauil and I love how she goes for the big tricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    The Russian team will not include Radionova; she's too young.
    The Russian team will not include Lipnitskaia; she was replaced by Gosvianni.
    The US team will not include Nagasu. She's not on it.

    So that puts Gracie up a little higher; maybe ninth.
    1 196.80 Mao ASADA JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
    2 194.71 Carolina KOSTNER ITA European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    3 193.99 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    4 190.63 Ashley WAGNER USA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
    5 188.85 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    6 185.22 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    XXX 7 182.86 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU JGP Austria 2012 15.09.2012
    XXX 8 179.31 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
    9 177.19 Kiira KORPI FIN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
    XXX 10 176.68 Mirai NAGASU USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    11 176.45 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 27.10.2012
    12 175.03 Gracie GOLD USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012

    But let's not forget YuNa Kim, who scored over 200 at NRW. She isn't on the SB list because International Bs aren't included, but she is capable of a score that high. That puts everyone down a slot.

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    Well, certainly it puts all the North American ladies down a spot, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    1 196.80 Mao ASADA JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
    2 194.71 Carolina KOSTNER ITA European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    3 193.99 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    4 190.63 Ashley WAGNER USA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
    5 188.85 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    6 185.22 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    XXX 7 182.86 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU JGP Austria 2012 15.09.2012
    XXX 8 179.31 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
    9 177.19 Kiira KORPI FIN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
    XXX 10 176.68 Mirai NAGASU USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    11 176.45 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 27.10.2012
    12 175.03 Gracie GOLD USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012

    But let's not forget YuNa Kim, who scored over 200 at NRW. She isn't on the SB list because International Bs aren't included, but she is capable of a score that high. That puts everyone down a slot.
    There are a few more women who can potentially score above 175 (60+ SP and 115+ LP). Alena and Kanako come to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    There are a few more women who can potentially score above 175 (60+ SP and 115+ LP). Alena and Kanako come to mind.
    At 4CC, Asada, Suzuki, Osmond and Gold could potentially score higher; Murakami, currently #17 with 168.04, could also score higher at 4CC.

    Right now, Leonova is #25 on the SB list with 157.27. Only GP, JGP and ISU Championships scores get on the Seasons Best list. Since Leonova didn't go to Euros, there are no more competitions before Worlds that would move her higher.

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    No one knows how high Gracie will score if she skates a clean SP and a good LP. At COR she skated a clean SP but was sloppy in her LP yet still got over 175 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    No one knows how high Gracie will score if she skates a clean SP and a good LP. At COR she skated a clean SP but was sloppy in her LP yet still got over 175 points.
    She actually lipped in her SP, making her score more impressive.

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    And it was a worse lip than at US Nationals...it appears to be something she's working on.

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    Gracie changed her FS so she now does only one lip. Makes sense.

    3z+3t, 3fe-to, 2a, 2lo-df, 3fe+2t, 2z, 2a+2t+1lo CoR
    3z+3t, 2a+3t, 3lo, 2a, 3z, 3fe+2t+2t, 3s Nationals

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    1 196.80 Mao ASADA JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
    2 194.71 Carolina KOSTNER ITA European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    3 193.99 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    4 190.63 Ashley WAGNER USA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
    5 188.85 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    6 185.22 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    XXX 7 182.86 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU JGP Austria 2012 15.09.2012
    XXX 8 179.31 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
    9 177.19 Kiira KORPI FIN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
    XXX 10 176.68 Mirai NAGASU USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    11 176.45 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 27.10.2012
    12 175.03 Gracie GOLD USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012

    But let's not forget YuNa Kim, who scored over 200 at NRW. She isn't on the SB list because International Bs aren't included, but she is capable of a score that high. That puts everyone down a slot.
    Lipnskaia is too young for world's this year as well.

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    I'm concerned Ashley peaked for the season with her second gp event. Gp final, one fall; Nationals, two falls. I wonder too if she now feels pressure to put in a 3/3 at worlds even though she is not prepared for that now.

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    ^ Exactly, same thought ran through my head. (ETA: she fell 2x at the GPF as well...she fell earlier in the program before the infamous "hip pointer" fall)

    It's almost like there was no way but down after that impressive GP turnout. People were jumping aboard the Wagner Express left and right and I cautioned people against doing so because NONE of the 2008ers have showed any sort of staying power whatsoever. Now it's gotten into some mountainous terrain and is losing steam...fast.

    I don't think a SINGLE person here predicted Wagner lower than 1st at Nationals - and although the prediction turned out to be correct it couldn't have been achieved in a more unconvincing fashion. The win was backed into - and I find it hard to believe we'll see the Wagner of 2012 in just 6 weeks. There is a scary pattern happening among the US ladies and it shows no signs of letting up...
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    Wagner had turned in a bunch of terrific performances in a row: Nationals 2012, 4CC 2012, Worlds 2012, WTT, SA, TEB. Even the best skaters have had off-performances every now and then. Even though she faltered at GPF and Nationals, Ashley medaled at the GPF and won Nationals. Also, it seems Ashley had had flu at Nationals and wasn't skating well, even in practices. It's good that she isn't doing 4CC and will be able to rest and get her mojo back. Maybe when she's feeling better, USFS will send her to a "B" as a tune-up for Worlds.

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    There was a thread a month or two ago predicting Wagner winning World. Yes, World. I wonder who's jumped off the wagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    ^ Exactly, same thought ran through my head. (ETA: she fell 2x at the GPF as well...she fell earlier in the program before the infamous "hip pointer" fall)

    It's almost like there was no way but down after that impressive GP turnout. People were jumping aboard the Wagner Express left and right and I cautioned people against doing so because NONE of the 2008ers have showed any sort of staying power whatsoever. Now it's gotten into some mountainous terrain and is losing steam...fast.

    I don't think a SINGLE person here predicted Wagner lower than 1st at Nationals - and although the prediction turned out to be correct it couldn't have been achieved in a more unconvincing fashion. The win was backed into - and I find it hard to believe we'll see the Wagner of 2012 in just 6 weeks. There is a scary pattern happening among the US ladies and it shows no signs of letting up...
    Ashley is not Alissa or Rachael. Other than the challenges she faces of late, she is probably the most fit I've ever seen her in the last few years. It is because of that muscle memory/good training that she was able to tough it out through Nationals. People seem to forget that she did a clean short program (unlike Alissa last year) and that while the long program was far from her best, it was hardly a meltdown.

    And while not as severe as Rachael and Alissa's injuries, Ashley's setbacks -- the hip pointer and food poisoning -- would be the most challenging to even the toughest skater to overcome in such a short time.

    Ashley noted on Twitter she will be starting full run-throughs on Monday.

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