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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Just watched Ashley's program... she really has amazing fight. She was clearly in pain after that fall on the 2A yet still pulled herself together to complete a great 3F and perform the remainder of her program. She refuses to hold back or water down her content even after things go wrong and I find it so admirable.

    I hope others can learn from her example; she went for that 3F at the end and because of it won a silver instead of a bronze.
    I finally worked up the courage to watch this - and the fall was nasty. But, I really agree with you - she really pulled herself together and fought for the program. That, to me, is a great sign of a well prepared competitor.

    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    According to a quote from the USFS recap, Wagner's injury is a "hip pointer" (explained here on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_pointer and here: http://www.coreperformance.com/knowl...-injuries.html, scroll down a little)

    sounds like it may put her off the ice for a couple of weeks perhaps, but it is not serious or career-ending.



    Agreed- although she probably won't need the 3-3 in the SP. She may want to go for the 2A/3T in the FS though. I think a clean SP is more important above all at Nationals because you don't want to dig yourself a hole to climb out of. Wagner would know that fact better than anyone else!
    Thanks for the info, RD.

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    Wagner all the way!!! Polished and poised and a fantastic competitor. I like her 'take charge' attitude. No nerves for this young lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    That depends on whether you're only looking at ISU competitions, in which case, her FS PB was 113.85 at Junior Worlds. Last year at Junior Nats, though, Gracie scored a 118.17 in her FS--a score she's likely to surpass at Nats this year.
    I'm talking about internationals. It gives you a better idea of what to expect at Worlds. Plus if Ashley can get 115 for a 2 fall skate at the GPF, you can imagine that number would be higher at Nationals, whereas I know it was a junior program, but Gracie's almost 114 was for a nearly perfect skate, so it gives you an idea of comparison on the international stage. Also Gold only had one error in her junior FS at Nats last year, was the clear favorite coming in, class of the field, and didn't have the pressure of competing against ladies who have been 4th at Worlds and the Olympics for a spot on the World Team that decides how many girls get to go to the Olympics. So far this season, she's been averaging quite a few more mistakes than last season, and the pressure will certainly be more. I don't doubt that she can't skate well in spite of it, but I don't know if it's fair to say she's bound to top her score from last Nationals, where she landed 7 triples and probably also benefitted from "wow" factor standing out so much from the rest of the field in what was otherwise a somewhat lackluster event, which likely helped her GOE and PCS. We can expect with a strong skate her PCS at Nationals might be a few points higher than internationally, but even so, add that to the skates she's had so far thus season, and that's still not quite 118+, even with the spiral sequence. Clean, sure I think Gracie could score 125 to 130, but she's been having issues landing more than 4 or 5 solid triples in her FS so far this season so I wouldn't say it's a set bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    I can't help but have flashbacks to 2007...and Meissner's situation. Strong in her 2 GP events, then struggles at the GPF...just about everyone thought that was out of her system and she'd be back by nationals to defend her title- only to have the same shocking 3-fall performance there (and only got to Worlds via age rules and politics)

    I'm trying to say that Wagner will be facing one of the biggest tests of her career coming up at Nationals. Because face it, coming off a rough skate AND having a title to defend is not a position you want to be in.



    It IS possible, though. Especially if Wagner messes up the short as is tradition at US Nationals, last year notwithstanding. Gold and Nagasu are definitely within striking range to take advantage of any mistakes Wagner makes, and perhaps even Gao if she gets her act together (won't be counting on it though). I don't see Zawadzki being a threat except perhaps gaining a couple points advantage in the SP if she nails it.
    Kimmie's issues were due to post-puberty body changes and bad jump technique. Her 3-3s were never fully around when she was a toothpick, then she filled out and got a hips and thighs and the 3-3s vanished and other triples didn't work so well either. Kimmie was also a teenager that went to the Olympics at 16 and then won Worlds at 16. She achieved what most people aim to achieve in a long career before she had finished maturing physically. The situation is in no way similar to Ashley, who is 21 and far beyond any puberty/post-puberty dramatic body changes. She's never been to the Olympics and has only gone to Worlds twice, she was the almost girl for years, and now she's buckled down, gotten in great shape, and shown she's determined to get to the top. So far, it's been a convincing ride. I know her content is not the most ambitious but I for one was at least wondering how long it was going to be before she made a mistake in her FS. That time finally arrived, she is human, it happens. Much like Yuna's struggle at 2009 SA or Miki's 5th place at 2011 GPF, I don't think this is setting the stage for things to come, but rather an experience showing she is human and taking some of the pressure of being a leader and expected to continually reel off great performances every time out as that has been the trend. Yuna wasn't back to her old self by GPF, but she still won, then won the Olympics in dominant fashion, and Miki after bombing the GPF SP and only finishing 5th, came back to win Japanese Nats, 4CC, and Worlds. Ashley got the monkey off her back, this was bound to happen, I don't think in any way she's going to start a trend of falling twice in every FS now, and if she does, I for one will be shocked. She's come too far, her jumps have gotten very consistent, she has the right mindset - this is a fluke, not a trend, I think, whereas for Kimmie that was the start of a steep decline from the top.

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    Ashley got the monkey off her back, this was bound to happen, I don't think in any way she's going to start a trend of falling twice in every FS now, and if she does, I for one will be shocked. She's come too far, her jumps have gotten very consistent, she has the right mindset - this is a fluke, not a trend, I think, whereas for Kimmie that was the start of a steep decline from the top.
    Let's only hope that is so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    According to a quote from the USFS recap, Wagner's injury is a "hip pointer" (explained here on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_pointer and here: http://www.coreperformance.com/knowl...-injuries.html, scroll down a little)

    sounds like it may put her off the ice for a couple of weeks perhaps, but it is not serious or career-ending.

    Let's hope not--Nats isn't so far away that she can water down her training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    Let's hope not--Nats isn't so far away that she can water down her training.
    At the same time it would be a REALLY BAD idea to rush back into training after something like that because it may take longer to heal (and you don't want to risk further damage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    At the same time it would be a REALLY BAD idea to rush back into training after something like that because it may take longer to heal (and you don't want to risk further damage).
    Agreed--that's why I hope her injury isn't so severe that it'll put her off training and cause regression. Of course, in the case that it is serious, it would be much better to give it a rest until the danger is gone, and I doubt that Nicks would let her train on injury when so much this season hinges on her health--Worlds in particular, where she stands a very good chance of medaling.

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    At nationals, it will be interesting to see how Caroline Zhang performs.

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    Now that GPF is done and Nationals is likely the next competition, here's a round up of scores among the U.S. Ladies (senior only domestically, so I'll include junior scores here too).

    But for the sake of not having too long of a thread. I'll do GP series here. Then Senior B/JGP in a separate thread.



    GP Series Overall

    Ashley Wagner 190.63 -TEB
    Ashley Wagner 188.37 -SA
    Ashley Wagner 181.93 - GPF
    Mirai Nagasu 176.68 - NHK
    Gracie Gold 175.03 - COR
    Christina Gao 174.25 - SA
    Agnes Zadwadzki 166.61 - COR
    ===median =====
    Christina Gao 165.74
    Mirai Nagasu 163.46 - COC
    Agnes Zawadzki 160.37 - NHK
    Christina Gao 154.54 - GPF
    Gracie Gold 151.57 - SC
    Caroline Zhang 149.87 - SC
    Caroline Zhang 138.21 - COR


    GP Series SP
    Ashley Wagner 66.04 (34.95; 31.49) - GPF
    Ashley Wagner 63.09 (32.52; 30.57) - TEB
    Gracie Gold 62.16 (34.92; 27.24) – COR
    Mirai Nagasu 61.18 (32.36; 28.82) - NHK
    Ashley Wagner 60.61 (30.58; 30.03) - SA
    Agnes Zawadzki 60.18 (33.01; 27.17) - COR
    Mirai Nagasu 59.76 (31.04; 28.72 ) – COC
    ======median ========
    Christina Gao 56.63 (31.01; 25.62) –SA
    Agnes Zadwadzki 55.02 (27.73; 27.29) - NHK
    Caroline Zhang 52.97 (27.67; 25.30) -SC
    Christina Gao 52.25 (26.48; 26.07) - TEB
    Gracie Gold 52.19 (27.53; 25.66) - SC
    Christina Gao 48.56 (22.30; 26.26) - GPF
    Caroline Zhang 46.15 (21.84; 24.31) - COR

    GP Series SP TES
    Ashley Wagner 35.95 - GPF
    Gracie Gold 34.92 – COR
    Agnes Zawadzki 33.01 - COR
    Ashley Wagner 32.52 - TEB
    Mirai Nagasu 32.36 - NHK
    Mirai Nagasu 31.04 – COC
    Christina Gao 31.01 –SA
    ======median ========
    Ashley Wagner 30.58 - SA
    Agnes Zawadzki 27.73 - NHK
    Caroline Zhang 27.67 - SC
    Gracie Gold 27.53 - SC
    Christina Gao 26.48 - TEB
    Christina Gao 22.30 - GPF
    Caroline Zhang 21.84 - COR

    GP Series SP PCS
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    Ashley Wagner 31.49 - GPF
    Ashley Wagner 30.57 - TEB
    Ashley Wagner 30.03 - SA
    Mirai Nagasu 28.82 - NHK
    Mirai Nagasu 28.72 – COC
    Agnes Zawadzki 27.29 - NHK
    Gracie Gold 27.24 - COR
    =====median =========
    Agnes Zawadzki 27.17 - COR
    Christina Gao 26.26 - GPF
    Christina Gao 26.07 - TEB
    Gracie Gold 25.66 - SC
    Christina Gao 25.62 –SA
    Caroline Zhang 25.30 - SC
    Caroline Zhang 24.31 - COR


    GP Series FS
    Ashley Wagner 127.76 (63.83; 63.93) - SA
    Ashley Wagner 127.54 (62.91; 64.63) - TEB
    Christina Gao 117.62 (60.64; 56.98) -SA
    Mirai Nagasu 115.50 (56.36; 59.14) - NHK
    Ashley Wanger 115.49 (54.93; 62.56) - GPF
    Gracie Gold 112.87 (54.77; 58.10) – COR
    Christina Gao 112.16 (57.25; 54.91) - TEB
    ====median ==========
    Agnes Zawadzki 106.43 (51.10; 55.33) - COR
    Agnes Zawadzki 105.35 (51.61; 54.74) - NHK
    Christina Gao 105.98 (55.90; 51.08) - GPF
    Mirai Nagasu 103.70 (45.89; 57.81) - COC
    Gracie Gold 99.38 (48.02; 51.36) - SC
    Caroline Zhang 96.90 (46.96; 49.94) - SC
    Caroline Zhang 92.06 (48.57; 43.49) - COR


    GP Series FS TES
    Ashley Wagner 63.83 – SA
    Ashley Wagner 62.91 – TEB
    Christina Gao 60.63 -SA
    Christina Gao 57.25 - TEB
    Mirai Nagasu 56.36 - NHK
    Christina Gao 55.90 - GPF
    Ashley Wagner 54.94 - GPF
    =====median =========
    Gracie Gold – 54.77 - COR
    Agnes Zawadzki 51.61- NHK
    Agnes Zawadzki 51.10 - COR
    Gracie Gold 48.92 - SC
    Caroline Zhang 48.57 - COR
    Caroline Zhang 46.96 - SC
    Mirai Nagasu - 45.89 - COC


    GP Series FS PCS
    Ashley Wagner 64.63 - TEB
    Ashley Wagner 63.93 - SA
    Ashley Wagner 62.56 - GPF
    Mirai Nagasu 59.14 - NHK
    Gracie Gold 58.10 - COR
    Mirai Nagasu 57.81 - COC
    Christina Gao 56.98 -SA
    =====median =========
    Agnes Zawadzki 55.33 - COR
    Christina Gao 54.91 - TEB
    Agnes Zawadski 54.74 - NHK
    Gracie Gold 51.36 - SC
    Christina Gao 51.08 - GPF
    Caroilne Zhang 49.94- SC
    Caroline Zhang 43.49 - COR
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    Interesting. Thanks for putting that list together.

    Now, I want you guys to take a look at something. Those who think Wagner is unbeatable nationally:

    Ashley Wagner 181.93 - GPF
    Mirai Nagasu 176.68 - NHK
    Gracie Gold 175.03 - COR
    Christina Gao 174.25 - SA
    Nether Nagasu nor Gold were perfect at their events and they're only 5 pts off Wagner's GPF score. Meaning, should Wagner have a repeat of GPF at Nationals (let's hope not, but you never know), and Gold and/or Nagasu hits that night, Wagner could definitely find herself 2nd or perhaps even 3rd. If Wagner messes up the SP in addition, the other two can probably beat her even with a mistake of their own. I think it's safe to say Gao is probably out of reach since SA was her absolute best and she has not been able to match that since. Even if she does match SA, Wagner would probably have to melt down for Gao to have any chance of overtaking her.
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    Here are the senior B scores. One must wonder, why the heck did they give assignments to skaters who were on the GP series? Was there nobody else they could send?

    Obviously inflated (Agnes Z. getting the highest PCS out of those on senior B competitions is a bit laughable), but here they are for the record.

    Senior B Overall

    Agnes Zawadzki 172.95 – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Gracie Gold 171.15 – U.S. Int’l Classic
    MIrai Nagasu 163.09 – Finlandia Trophy
    Caroline Zhang 124.13 – Nebelhorn Trophy

    Senior B SP
    Agnes Zawadzki 65.25 (35.44; 29.80) – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Gracie Gold 59.37 (29.97; 29.40) – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Mirai Nagasu 52.75 (26.20; 27.55) – Finlandia Trophy
    Caroline Zhang 45.43 (22.49; 22.94) – Nebelhorn Trophy

    Senior B SP TES
    Agnes Zawadzki 35.44 – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Gracie Gold 29.97 – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Mirai Nagasu 26.20 – Finlandia Trophy
    Caroline Zhang 22.59 – Nebelhorn Trophy

    Senior B SP PCS
    Agnes Zawadzki – 29.80 U.S. Int’l Classic
    Gracie Gold – 29.40 U.S. Int’l Classic
    Mirai Nagasu – 27.55 Finlandia Trophy
    Caroline Zhang- 22.95 – Nebelhorn Trophy

    Senior B FS
    Gracie Gold 111.78 (54.92; 57.86) – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Mirai Nagasu 110.34 (54.07; 57.27) – Finlandia Trophy
    Agnes Zawdzki 107.71 (50.58; 58.13) – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Caroline Zhang 78.70 (39.13; 42.57) – Nebelhorn Trophy

    Senior B FS TES
    Gracie Gold 54.92 – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Mirai Nagasu 54.07 – Finlandia Trophy
    Agnes Zawdzki 50.58 – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Caroline Zhang 39.14 – Nebelhorn Trophy

    Senior B PCS
    Agnes Zawadzki 57.27 – U.S. Int’l Classic
    Gracie Gold 57.86 – U.S. Int’l Classic
    MIrai Nagasu – 58.13 – Finlandia Trophy
    Caroline Zhang 42.57 – Nebelhorn Trophy

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    Next set of data: The JGP.

    The data is quite interesting, as it reveals two possible spoilers at Nationals: Hannah Miller and Angela Wang. Hannah Miller currently not have the technical content that Angela does, but she has been relatively consistent relative to Wang. It's worth noting that Miller has not been off-the-podium for ANY segment of the three JGP events she's entered in, while Wang has had to play catch up at two of her events due to poor SP scores. Hannah has also been working on various 3-3s, including 3L-3L, so it will be interesting to see if she does them at Nationals. Angela and Hannah are fairly close in PCS.

    Leah Keiser could also be a spoiler, but she's so hot and cold. She show a flash of brilliance at JGP Turkey producing wht is now the fourth highest score (it was second until JGPF) in the FS and still has the highest TES in the JGP among the U.S. ladies with her program in Turkey. However, when you consider the fact that she also has two of the lowest scores in the FS (only Ashley Cain has done worse); you have to wonder which skater will show up at Nationals.

    Samantha Cesario is also someone to watch. She only has one event factored, since she did so poorly in Germany due to an injury. But she did quite well at sectionals, so it will be interesting to see how she does.

    The third spot for junior worlds (that is, if it is available if Gracie Gold doesn't end up getting it as some sort of consolation prize) is going to be a bloodbath.

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    JGP Overall
    Hannah Miller 168.41 - JGPF
    Angela Wang 162.65 - Croatia
    Angela Wang 162.05- JGPF
    Hannah Miller 158.52 - Austria
    Samantha Cesario 157.72 Austria
    Leah Keiser 156.33 - Turkey
    Courtney Hicks 153.77 - USA
    Hannah Miller 153.21 - Croatia
    Angela Wang 150.40 - USA
    Barbie Long 147.19 - Croatia
    Kiri Baga 142.22 - USA
    Courtney Hicks 141.38 - Croatia
    Leah Keiser 141.15 – Germany
    Vanessa Lam 140.89 - France
    Leah Keiser 137.44 - JGPF
    Ashley Cain 136.51 - Fance

    JGP Short Program
    Hannah Miller 59.18 (33.84; 26.22) - JGPF
    Angela Wang 58.47 (34.93; 23.54) - Croatia
    Hannah Miller 55.47 (31.97; 23.50) - Austria
    Leah Keiser 55.14 (31.97; 23.17) – Germany
    Samantha Cesario 54.38 (32.69; 21.77) - Austria
    Barbie Long 52.24 (30.38; 21.86) - Slovenia
    Courtney Hicks 51.36 (27.85; 23.51) -USA
    Hannah Miller 51.33 (27.88; 23.45) – Croatia
    Ashley Cain 51.31 (28.48; 22.83) - France
    Angela Wang 51.16 (26.24; 24.92) - JGPF
    Leah Keiser 50.70 (28.81; 21.89) - Turkey
    Vanessa Lam 48.40 (26.92; 22.48) - France
    Kiri Baga 47.80 (25.88; 22.92) - USA
    Leah Keiser 47.23 (25.86; 22.37) - JGPF
    Courtney Hicks 46.63 (24.34; 22.29) - Slovenia
    Angela Wang 44.71 (23.34; 21.37) - USA
    Samantha Cesario 42.36 (21.36; 22.00) - Germany

    JGP SP TES
    Angela Wang 34.93 - Croatia
    Hannah Miller 33.84 – JGPF
    Samantha Cesario 32.69 - Austria
    Hannah Miller 31.97 – Austria
    Leah Keiser 31.97 – Germany
    Barbie Long 30.38 – Slovenia
    Ashley Cain 28.48 - France
    Hannah Miller 27.88 – Croatia
    Leah Keiser 28.81 - Turkey
    Courtney Hicks 27.85 – USA
    Vanessa Lam 26.92 - France
    Angela Wang 26.24 – JGPF
    Kiri Baga 25.88 - USA
    Leah Keiser 25.86 - JGPF
    Courtney Hicks 24.34 – Slovenia
    Angela Wang 23.35 - USA
    Samantha Cesario 21.36 – Germany

    JGP SP PCS
    Hannah Miller 26.22 – JGPF
    Angela Wang 24.24 - JGPF
    Angela Wang 23.54 – Croatia
    Hannah Miller 23.45 – Croatia
    Courtney Hicks 23.51 - USA
    Hannah Miller 23.50 – Austria
    Leah Keiser 23.17 – Germany
    Kiri Baga 22.92 - USA
    Ashley Cain 22.83 – France
    Vanessa Lam 22.48 – France
    Leah Keiser 22.37 – JGPF
    Courtney Hicks 22.29 - Slovniea
    Samantha Cesario 22.00 - Germany
    Leah Keiser 21.89 - Turkey
    Barbie Long 21.86 - Slovenia
    Samantha Cesario 21.77 – Austria
    Angela Wang 21.37 – USA


    JGP FS
    Angela Wang 110.89 (58.90; 51.99) - JGPF
    Hannah Miller 109.23 (56.16; 53.07) - JGPF
    Angela Wang 105.69 (55.79; 49.90) - USA
    Leah Keiser 105.63 (58.04; 47.59) - Turkey
    Angela Wang 104.18 (55.67; 48.51) - Croatia
    Samantha Cesario 103.34 (55.85; 47.49) - Austria
    Hannah Miller 103.05 (54.57; 48.48) - Austria
    Courtney Hicks 102.41 (51.89; 50.52) - USA
    Hannah Miller 101.88 (54.56; 47.32) - Croatia
    Barbie Long 94.95 (51.30; 43.65) - Slovenia
    Courtney Hicks 94.75 (49.51; 45.24) - Slovenia
    Vanessa Lam 99.49 (48.65; 45.84) - France
    Kiri Baga 94.42 (46.71; 47.71) - USA
    Leah Keiser 90.21 (46.21; 44.00) - JGPF
    Leah Keiser 86.01 (43.96; 44.05) - Germany
    Ashley Cain 85.20 (42.34; 46.86) - France


    JGP FS TES
    Leah Keiser 58.04 - Turkey
    Angela Wang 58.90 – JGPF
    Hannah Miler 56.15 – JGPF
    Angela Wang 55.79 –USA
    Angela Wang 55.67 – Croatia
    Samantha Cesario 55.85 – Austria
    Hannah Miller 54.57 – Austria
    Hannah Miller 54.56 – Croatia
    Courtney Hicks 51.89 – USA
    Barbie Long 51.30 – Slovenia
    Courtney Hicks 49.51 – Slovenia
    Vanessa Lam 48.65 – Grance
    Kiri Baga – 46.71 – USA
    Leah Keiser 46.21 – JGPF
    Leah Keiser – Germany
    Ashley Cain – 42.35 – France

    JGP FS PCS
    Hannah Miller 53.07 – JGPF
    Angela Wang 51.99 – JGPF
    Courtney Hicks 50.52 - USA
    Angela Wang 49.90 – USA
    Angela Wang 48.51- Croatia
    Hannah Miller 48.48 – Austria
    Kiri Baga 47.71 - USA
    Leah Keiser 47.59 - Turkey
    Samantha Cesario 47.49 - Austria
    Hannah Miller 47.32 – Croatia
    Ashley Cain 46.86 - France
    Vanessa Lam 45.84 - France
    Courtney Hicks 45.24 – Slovenia
    Leah Keiser 44.05 – Germany
    Leah Keiser 44.00 – JGPF
    Barbie Long 43.65- Slovenia

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    I think there needs to be one female skater who steps up and stays at the top for more than one season. It's been a merry-go-round since Kimmie Meisner, with a new "star" each year who burns out just as quickly. I would hope that the judges will hold up Ashley if she makes a couple of mistakes. Usually I am opposed to that sort of thing, but from what I've seen, newcomers usually don't get on the podium on their first try. There have been too many girls who have gotten up to 4th and 5th, then didn't go to world's the next year or fell apart in some other way.

    2007--Kimmie, 4th, next year 7th or so
    2008- Nobody did well
    2009--Rachael 5th, then fell out of judges favor or really did go downhill, never that high again
    2010--Mirai 4th at Olympics, choked at Worlds, never went to world's again
    2011--Alissa--5th, but came in almost dead last the next year
    2012--Ashley 4th--but what now?

    I would not be surprised if Ashley is too hurt to go on. That fall looked bad. I would not be surprised to see it be Gracie Gold's year to come in 4th or 5th.

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    How about adding in the Sectional qualifiers:

    SENIOR QUALIFIERS
    Easterns Ladies 1-4: Samantha Cesario 163.53, Yasmin Siraj 151.35, Haley Dunne 139.69, Joelle Forte 136.47;
    Mids Ladies 1-4: Ashley Cain 161.49, Becky Bereswill 149.44, Kiri Baga 141.42, Morgan Bell 133.06;
    Pacs Ladies 1-4: Vanessa Lam 177.73, Courtney Hicks 161.72, Sophia Adams 131.49, Amanda Hofmann 122.29.

    Even though these are domestic, take note of the winners! Vanessa had trouble in herc JGP but came back with 168.05 (113.44 in FS) at Regionals and the highest score again at Sectionals with 118.30 in the FS. Samantha and Ashley also stayed strong!

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