12-12-2012, 11:16 PM
Was very impressed with how Ashley was able to get up and finish her program. An excellent example of "adrenaline" fueling an athlete to complete what they trained to do.
I have mixed feelings on the sharing of the bruises with photos. I don't need "proof" that she took a hard hit and is obviously going to be bruised.
12-12-2012, 11:27 PM
In retrospect I think a healthy Kwan had a great shot, as those Olympics were not a well skated event. Her programs at the 2005 Nationals would have won gold in Torino.
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
12-13-2012, 01:12 AM
but it is a hindsight now. How one would have skated at an event is hard to say. Ice quality, atmosphere, how one reacts to the olympic pressure who knows. I do agree though with Arakawa's skate Kwan had a great chance but it wasn't to be
12-13-2012, 01:37 AM
No they wouldnt have. Her SP from Nationals would have only scored in the 60 range as her SP at Worlds with a few minor upgrades scored 61 and change, and her LP from those Nationals would have scored in about the 115-116 range as it was only marginally better than her Worlds LP to the same program which scored 113. She wouldnt have even medaled at the 2006 Olympics with her performances from the 2005 Nationals, maybe eked out 2nd in the LP but still been a distant 4th overall considering the SP, and been a good 15 points from the gold. You make it sound like she delivered these awesome and remotedly COP friendly performances and programs at the 05 Nationals, when her LP especialy was quite mediocre, especialy in the context of COP thinking. Dont be fooled by the 6.0s, they were her most farcial 6.0s ever at Nationals and Sports Illustrated even dedicated a whole article to mocking them and saying thank goodness for the end of the 6.0. Maybe you made a mistake and meant to say the 2003 or 2004 Nationals in which case you "might" be right or atleast have a chance of being right, but I doubt Michelle was capable of skating at that level by 2006 anymore, especialy with COP and the limited time to prepare for it coming back from injury. The only way she would have won gold in Turin with her jump content from the 2005 Nationals is with MUCH more COP friendly programs than she had there, eg- replacing level 1s and 2s with 3s and 4s, and adding way more transitions, and with a much much better program than Bolero was. Her SP music of her 05-06 SP was the same as Slutskaya's which I think it is a mistake to begin with, and the version I saw her perform of it paled in comparision to Irina's in every sense, and Sasha and Shizuka managed to roughly tie Irina in the Turin SP, so even a clean Michelle would probably have been way behind all 3, Suguri territory, after the SP.
Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy
Last edited by pangtongfan; 12-13-2012 at 01:48 AM.
12-13-2012, 02:44 AM
Just to come to Kwan's defense, the officials at the test skate did state that her spins were level 3s and 4s. Had she done a clean short and a 5-6 triple LP, she probably would have won. I just wish we could have seen her long program somewhere. I think seeing her skate to Bells of Moscow would have been very interesting.
Now, back on topic! I think Ashley will be fine. I've looked up a lot of information on hip pointers, and depending on the severity, she could be off the ice from 1-4 weeks. That's a huge range. So, if she is off the ice for 3 weeks...that would give her 3 to prepare. I think if anyone can do it, she can. Even if she isn't 100 percent, I could still see her fighting through and beating everyone else fair and square. I wish there was more updated information on her condition. Is it possible she's already back on the ice and just not training full force?
I'm very interested in what the other ladies are going to put out. Gold did not skate very well so far this season. It will be interesting to see if she's able to conquer her nerves and really nail her programs. Mirai has has been building and has landed triple/triples in the short program. If she can work hard on her jump technique between now and Nationals to get those triples all the way around (especially the later triples in her LP), she could potentially be high on the podium. I really like her programs this season. Christina has shown some good skating, but I think she's still a little rough around the edges. She tends to drop her shoulders late in the program and slow down a bit. If everyone skates exceptionally, Christina's PCS will most likely be behind Gracie's, and Gracie's behind Mirai's (or should be IMO). Agnes has been hot and cold so far, and I expect the same out of her at Nationals. If she skates very well she could be in the mix, but even when she skates well she usually doesn't score as high as the other three.
12-13-2012, 07:01 AM
Bona Fide Member
I agree: just remember her TEB performance and she was "not in a great condition"!!
Originally Posted by Ruffles78
12-13-2012, 09:34 AM
I think Wagner has clearly declared herself by her performances as the front runner. The injury is unfortunate but she should have enough - sadly even if the judges are generous at nats on her pcs to ensure she wins (or however they creatively interpret her performances). The real battle is for no. 2 as no lady has stepped up to say I am the one or two.
i still think Mirai can do it but she has been a huge disappointment since Oly 10. And even though she has slowly been growing mmentum her programs are not what many of us thought - the next Kwan or Sasha. She could even win the US title or find her self out of the top 5. Gao is rough. Zhang may have ironically taken the pressure off of her by her poor skates this year. Czisny I think will have trouble coming back with lack of competition experience this year. Gold has been like the Russian baby ballerinas huge hype but not really quite living up to it the advantage she has is that she looks like she survived the puberty monster. The Americans have a strong chance of earning their three spots to Oly gold with Wagner at the helm. It sure has taken long enough though; US is usually dominant in this sport.
12-13-2012, 12:01 PM
Tripping on the Podium
The problem with Mirai is that she is incredibly inconsistent. Sometimes she does OK, but often times she does not. It is difficult to expect that she can do well at the worlds even if she does well enough to earn a spot on the team at the nats.
Originally Posted by Skater Boy
I do not care for Ashley's artistry, but I do think it's commendable that she's been consistent this season, and she's done well for herself, far better than I expected her to do. I don't know if she's going to be good enough to win a medal at the worlds, but she's certainly going to place high enough to earn 3 spots for Sochi, provided that the #2 lady doesn't implode.
12-13-2012, 02:04 PM
Rejoicing in the land of Kwan