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    JGP Sencila-Bled Cup 2012 Men's Preview

    This will be an amazing junior men's competition. It is the first that I can remember where more than one of the men will be attempting quadruple jumps. There are three really wonderful skaters here, all planning quads and multiple triple axels, and any of them could take the gold. First we have Han Yan of China, who is the reigning Junior World Champion. And then we have Joshua Farris, the Junior World silver medallist, who skated wonderfully at Lake Placid earlier this season. Finally we have Boyang Jin of China, who won JGP Courchevel. It is a shame that only one of these very good skaters can win here. In fact, I can't see any of these men placing lower than third here.

    Keiji Tanaka qualified for the JGPF last year, and finished second to Farris at Lake Placid, and it is hard luck that he has been assigned to this competition which has such a packed field. Roman Sadovsky CAN finished third at Lake Placid with a very fine performance, and he too will be fighting an uphill battle here.

    It is also a shame that some very good skaters will not medal, but they are none the less worth watching: Shoma Uno of Japan and Lukas Kaugars of USA, are both very entertaining skaters and well worth your while to watch. I will be interested to watch the two very young skaters that Russia has sent to this championship, Adian Pitkeev and Alexander Samarin. While they will not win a medal this year, it's always interesting to see some of the competitors who will be the future of the sport. Adian placed sixth in Lake Placid, in a very tough field, and has added a triple axel to his program this year.



    Han Yan CHN
    SP Jealous
    LP Masquerade
    His coach is Shuguang Jia, and his Choreographer is Helen Zhang Wei. He placed third in seniors at this year's Chinese National Championships.
    Han Yan is the reigning World Junior Champion, the first Chinese man to win that title. He won World Juniors with his best ever score of 222.45. He is 16.
    He also won the Youth Olympic Games last year.
    His winning Junior Worlds LP, which contained both a quad toe, and a triple axel.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhSt...=results_video

    Joshua Farris USA
    SP Suite for Solo Cello No 1 in G Major: Prelude by Yo-Yo Ma
    LP Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor, op. 18 III: Allegro Scherzando by Van Cliburn, Fritz Reiner
    Joshua’s coaches are Christy Krall & Damon Allen. His choreographer is Damon Allen. Josh contributes substantially to the choreography himself. Joshua is 17.

    Joshua placed second at 2012 Junior Worlds, where he scored his personal best of 221.97 points. He won the bronze medal at the 2011-2012 season Junior Grand Prix Final. He placed sixteenth in Seniors at US Nationals.
    He won the JGP Lake Placid competition earlier this season with a score of 218.69. He plans a quad toe and two triple axels in his long program.
    His LP at Lake Placid is here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQfOQo7qlBA


    Boyang Jin CHN
    SP Chambermaid Maid Swing
    LP Chaplin
    His coach is : Zhaoxiao Xu & his choreographer: Hailan Jiang. He trains in Harbin.
    He won the Junior Men's division in the Asian FS Trophy in 2011, with a score of 177.17. He was fourth in Seniors Men's in China in 2012.
    He is very young, and very very good
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfMlSvHjOUU
    As the words attached to the video say: He turned 14 in Oct (2011). But he has aleady 4T, 3A-2T, 3Lz-3T, and a 3A in the bonus section of his long program.
    He won the Courchevel JGP with a score of 194.13, which is his personal best.
    Here is his LP at Courchevel.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRE2Ar7BS5I
    He did an Exhibition at Cup of China last year to Michael Jackson songs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhfYTPjA_sM


    Keiji Tanaka JPN
    SP Afro Freak
    LP The Untouchables (soundtrack) by Ennio Morricone
    Keiji's coaches are Yusuke Hayashi & Utako Nagamitsu. His choreographer is Kenji Miyamoto .
    His personal best score was 196.88, obtained at the 2011 Junior World Championship, where he finished second. At the 2012
    World Junior Championship 2012,he finished 7th. He is the Japanese national Junior silver medallist
    He qualified for the JGPF last year, where he finished 6th.
    His SP from Junior Worlds 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6KvxkobwAI
    He competed at Lake Placid, and finished second there to Joshua Farris with a score of 182.50.. His LP from JGP Lake Placid:, where he completed two triple axels.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct8tEp63W0I

    Adian PITKEEV RUS
    SP Hunter - Jaguar by Safri Duo
    LP Bolero
    Adian's coaches are Eteri Tutberidze & Sergei Dudakov. His choreographer is Alexei Zhelezniakov. He is 14.
    He finished 11th at Russian Junior Nationals this year with a score of 162.73
    His best score at national level competitions (Junior) 169.33.
    He has planned and has landed 7 triples in FS, including 3Lz+3T, 3F+3T. This year he has added a triple axel to his program.
    Here he is at the Russian cup Final in 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAt7JUG5y7M
    Photos
    http://www.fskate.ru/photos/image10094.jpg (with coaches)
    http://www.fskate.ru/photos/image12329.jpg
    Many photos http://www.fskate.ru/skaters/1262/photo/ (with text in Russian)
    Adian finished sixth at Lake Placid with his only and best ever score of 154.97
    His LP from Lake Placid:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQrW5fxaY0

    Alexander Samarin RUS
    Alexander does not yet have an ISU biography.. He is 14.
    His coach is Inna Goncharenko (who is also coach of Elena Radionova).
    He won the NRW Trophy in the Novice division in 2010..
    Last season, he won the bronze medal in two of the Cup of Russia series Junior events.
    His highest score, nationally, was 193.90..
    He plans a seven triple program with two triple triple combinations included.
    He has been a member of the Russian National team since the 2010-2011 season, but he had to withdraw from the most recent Russian Junior championship. He had finished twelfth in juniors in the previous season.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXMDlrCE4_I - fragment of Vesti-Sports news TV program about "Klin Skate" May 2012.
    The only info about this competition (which is in calendar ofr Federation of Figure Skating of Russia, so of high state).
    Samarin was first in the Senior Men's division.
    Photos
    http://www.fskate.ru/photos/image7606.jpg (Samarin, Kolyada, Efremenkov).
    http://www.fskate.ru/skaters/445/photo/ (many photos)
    His SP from last November
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux3LLmfu5-E
    His LP from a competition in Russia last March
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmZvH-HnNuE



    Roman Sadovsky CAN
    SP Live and Let Die by David Garrett; James Bond theme - Tomorrow Never Dies Mix
    LP Heart of the King (from The Man in the Iron Mask soundtrack) by Nick Glennie Smith
    Roman's coach is Tracy Wainman, and his choreographer: is Gregor Filipowski.
    Roman is just up from Novices. He is only 13. He competed in the Challenge Cup in The Hague this last March as a Novice, and won the competition.
    Here's his winning LP there.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzRuG72YOs
    He competed at Lake Placid, and won the bronze medal there with a score of 158.77, which is his best and only ISU score.
    His Lake Placid LP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2yHJKx0aDI



    Shoma Uno JPN
    SP Tanguera
    LP Steps
    Shoma's coaching & choreography team are Machiko Yamada & Mihoko Higuchi. Shoma will turn 15 in December.
    Shoma finished tenth at last year's Junior World Championships, and won the silver medal at last year's Youth Olympics in Juniors. He placed fifth at Japanese Junior Nationals.
    His best ever score was 175.92, at last year's Junior World Championship.
    Shoma's performance in The Ice exhibition in Japan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhPQZZyOuKQ
    His LP at Junior Worlds
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJUA7yldaSA


    Lukas Kaugars
    SP Hallelujah by Robin Olson
    LP Jump Swing Blues by Rick Krive,; Sleepwalk by Brian Setzer; King Swing by Ken Miller
    Lukas's coaches are Damon Allen, Christy Krall, Eddie Shipstad and Ryan Jahnke. His choreographer is Damon Allen. He is 17. This is his first JGP appearance.
    Lukas won the 2012 Junior Men's Division at the Val Gardena Spring Trophy with a score of 138.07. He finished fifth in Juniors at his last US Nationals in Juniors with a score of 154.95.. Lukas' family originally came from Latvia, and he speaks the language.
    Here he is, skating his winning long program at the Vail Invitational (86.88 for this skate).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2fNlU_TBjA



    David Kranjec AUS
    SP Mission Impossible by Lalo Shifrin
    LP Walk This Way by Aerosmith; Live and Let Die by The Wings
    David moved from Slovenia to Australia. His coaches are Irina Stavrovskaia & Valentin Kadzevitch. His choreographer is Irina Stavrovskaia. He is 18. He placed second in juniors at the last Australian championship. His best ever score of 128.93 was achieved at JGP Brisbane in 2011.
    His short program from JGP Austria 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOUuph1QBOw



    Manuel Drechsler AUT
    SP New Kids Turbo by Beat the Hardcore
    LP Ghost Love (soundtrack) by Tuomas Holopainen
    His coach is Pavel Laurencik, and his choreographer is Miroslava Hajkova. He is 16.
    He earned his personal best total score:of 85.08 at theYouth Olympic Games (15th Juniors)
    He competed on the JGP last year at Baltic Cup & JGP Austria.
    Manuel's long program from The Challenge Cup this spring, where he finished tenth.:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF2Qc3Jo2SY
    He competed at JGP Austria this season, where he finished twenty-second.
    His LP from JGP Austria:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5z12LqSrx0


    [b]Jordan Ju TPE]/b]
    SP Perry Mason Theme by Earle Hagen
    LP Malaguena Blast (soundtrack); Malaguena performed by Gypsy Kings; Malaguena by Forever Cello
    Jordan's coach is Joanne McLeod. He is 17.
    He is the Senior Men's champion of Taipei. His personal best score of 134.97 was achieved at the 2012 Four Continents Championship, where he finished twenty first. He just won the bronze medal in Juniors at the Asian Trophy.
    Here is his free skate from Four Continents:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nQzDjVmikQ
    He competed at JGP Austria, finishing fifteenth with a score of 120.55. Here is his LP from that competition:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SreLoNqTDr8


    Viktor Romanenkov EST
    SP Tango d'Amore by Edvin Marton
    LP Prince of Egypt (soundtrack) by Hans Zimmer
    His coach is Anna Levandi, & his choreographer: Anna Levandi, Kaarel Väli. He will turn 19 later this month.
    Viktor is the Estonian champion in Senior Men's. He finished twenty-third at Europeans last year. His best ever score of 162.19 was earned at JGP Tallinn last year, where he finished sixth.
    He gave this exhibition a month ago
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAfYbY6ZlRY
    His short program from JGP Tallinn
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Cq-lY41UU
    He competed at JGP Austria, and finished tenth with a score of 144.00. Here is his LP from that competition.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fSDtFWAdu8

    Charles Tetar FRA
    SP Barbier of Seville by G. Rossini Music
    LP Smoke Gets in Your Eyes by The Platters; Buddy Rock by Jerry Lee Lewis; Blues Nobody by Nat King Cole; Rock Around the Clock by Bill Haley
    Charles is coached by Annick Dumont. He is 17.
    He won the Triglav trophy in juniors last year, and was third in Coup de Nice in juniors.
    He was 5th in Seniors at French Nationals
    He competed at Courchevel., where he finished seventh and earned his personal best total score of 154.29. His LP from Courchevel:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUaO02K_qcU


    Alexander Schöpke GER
    SP Charlie Chaplin
    LP Plan B by Brian Tyler; The Whole Nine Yards (soundtrack) by Randy Edelman
    Alexander's coach is Ilona Schindle, and his choreographer is Iwo Svec. He is 18.
    He placed second in juniors at the last German championship. He also won the 2012 Nesquik cup.
    This is his first JGP appearance.
    Here is a video from four years ago of Alexander skating and ice dancing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hQCAJ3rpwU


    Peter James Hallam GBR
    SP Avatar (soundtrack) by James Horner
    LP Gladiator (soundtrack) by Hans Zimmer and Lisa Gerrard
    Peter is coached by Dawn Peckett, and his choreograph is John Kerr, the former British ice dance champion. I'm looking forward to seeing his work!
    Peter is 17.
    His highest previous score was at JGP Austria 2011, where he finished 16th with a score of 122.61
    Here he is at the Challenge Cup this last spring at The Hague
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEdRErkLa0
    He competed at Courchevel, where he finished thirteenth and achieved his best ever score of 130.55. Here is his LP from that competition.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-KWxASj8Qc


    Antonio Panfili ITA
    Antonio does not currently have an ISU biography.
    Antonio finished second at the 2012 Italian Junior Championships with a score of 125.97
    He finished third at the Dragon Trophy in 2011.
    This competition is his first JGP appearance.
    His LP from the Val Gardena Spring Trophy 2012, where he finished fifth in the senior men's division with a score of 137.07.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5NgJUahlLA

    Abish Baytkanov KAZ
    SP From Paris With Love
    LP Windtalkers (soundtrack) by James Horner
    Abish's coaches are Natalia Popova & Danil Markelov. Abish is 17.
    His best score of 77.76 was earned at JGP Volvo Cup in 2011.
    His SP from that event:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA4mh4Ua5xM

    Julian Zhi Jie Yee MAS
    SP The Jet Song (from "West Side Story") by Leonard Bernstein
    LP Sons of Odin; Unstoppable; Mission Impossible
    Julian's coach is Harry Janto Leo, and his choreographer is Christa Grossard. He is 15. He placed second in the senior division at his national championship. His best ever score was earned at 2011 JGP Tallinn, where he finished fourteenth with a score of 112.90. He competed at the World Junior Championship last year, but did not make it out of the qualifying round. He finished sixth at this summer's Asian Figure Skating Trophy in Juniors.
    He is also a member of the Malaysian short track speed skating team.
    Julian's Short Program from JGP Tallinn 2011:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z0q-NqQev8

    Krzysztof Gala POL
    SP Still Got the Blues by Gary Moore
    LP Space Bullfighter by Adam Potega
    Krzysztof is coached by Stefan Potega, and his choreographer is Sebastian Kolasinski. He is 16.
    He finished fourth in juniors at the Warsaw Cup. His personal best score of 96.24 was achieved at Trofeo W. Lombardi JGP last year.
    His current SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAIia2jP6u4
    His free skate from Trofeo W. Lombardi JGP.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nikeFKglYeM


    Daniel Patriche ROU
    SP The Barber of Seville by G. Rossini
    LP American Outlaws (soundtrack) by Trevor Rabin
    His coach is Ramona Dinu. He is 15.
    He finished fifth in Novices at the Santa Claus Cup last season.
    This is his first JGP competition.
    I could not find any videos of Daniel.

    Marco Klepoch SVK
    SP Perfect Day for a Murder - The Pink Panther by Christophe Beck
    LP Kashmir by Led Zeppelin
    His coach and choreographer is Vladimir Dvojnikov. He is 14, and will turn 15 soon.
    His short program from JGP Austria 2011.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vyt4-e8KhM
    He competed at JGP Austria again this season., and scored a new personal best total score of 105.99. Here is his short program from that event:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfokwpvUrCc

    Krištof Brezar SLO
    SP Sherlock Holmes (soundtrack) by Hans Zimmer
    LP Sherlock Holmes - A Game of Shadows (soundtrack) by Hans Zimmer; The Bourne Ultimatum (soundtrack) by John Powell
    His coach is Darja Skrlj, and his choreographe is: Badri Kurashvili.
    Kristof is 15, nearly 16.
    He finished thirteenth at the Triglav Trophy in juniors earlier this year. He first appearance on the JGP was at JGP Austria, where he .
    His short program at JGP Austria where he finished twentieth with a score of 85.93, his personal best ISU score.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Enh6YTD1k

    Matej GREGORC SLO
    Matej does not have an ISU biography as yet..
    Matej competed at Skate Helena. This is not a video-it is a slide show of photos of the event.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdiKtQMuvY0

    Dong-Won Lee KOR
    SP Concerto for Guitar by Salvador Bacarisse
    LP Allegro from Piano Concerto No. 3 by Ludwig van Beethoven
    His coach is Hea Sook Shin, and his choreographer is Kenji Miyamoto. He will turn 16 in November.
    He finished fourth in seniors at the 2012 Korean National Championships with a score of 165.47.
    His personal best score of 166.93 was earned at JGP Brasov last year. And he won the bronze medal at the Asian Figure Skating Trophy in 2011. He competed at the World Junior Championships, and finished thirtieth.
    His long program from JGP Brasov
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZjflIfe1Kw


    Ondrej Spiegl SWE
    SP Transformers: Forest Battle (soundtrack) by Steve Jablonsky
    LP Saw (soundtrack) by Charlie Clouse; Gone in 60 seconds (soundtrack) by Machismo; Tequila by The Champs
    Ondrej is coached by Alan Spiegl, and his choreographer is Veronika Vrtelova. He is 19.
    His best ever score of 142.25 was achieved at JGP Brasov last year. He placed fifth in seniors at the Swedish National Championships. He was second in Juniors at Nordics 2011.
    His SP last year at JGP Brasov.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqyplKxWA04

    [b]Giray Senol TUR
    SP Invisible by Thoms Bergersen, Nick Phoneix
    LP Two Steps From Hell by Heart of Courage
    His coach is Rana Belkis Gocmen, and his choreographer is Ali Demirboga. He is 15.
    Giray's personal best score was achieved at JGP Bosphorus, where he placed sixteenth with a score of 118.66, his first JGP appearance.
    He finished sixteenth at the 2011 Cup of Nice.
    His SP from JGP Bosphorus
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3TXBuSd-7A.

    Yaroslav Paniot UKR
    SP Waltz Masquarade by Aram Khatchaturian
    LP Mix
    His coach is Viacheslav Zagorodniuk, and his choreographer is Alena Turaeva-Stetskaia.
    Yaroslav's personal best is 132.55, earned at the Youth Olympic Games, where he finished 9th.
    His free skate from Dnepr 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unJcnylhhk4
    He was a participant in the Youth Olympic games, where he finished 9th with a score of 132.55.
    http://www.olympic.org/content/yog_/...icipantid=4865
    He competed at Lake Placid JGP, where he finished sixteenth with a score of 100.48.
    His short program from Lake Placid:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmygnPgBQCA
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    What an amazing field!

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    Thanks Doris!

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    that's more competitive than some senior GP entries

    Han Yan, Farris and Jin
    with Tanaka, Pitkeev, Sadovsky and Samarin as outside podium contenders

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    - Hello, is it psychiatric hospital? We call you from Bled … Yes, where is junior Grand Prix. Please, send us two … no, better four brigades of hospital attendants. Here two Federations became absolutely crazy, and other two behave inadequately too.
    (from one of Russian forums)

    Chinese Federation sent two pretenders to Final on the same Event with very high level of other skaters, while China has enough places at other events.
    Japanese Federation made the same.
    Farris and Sadovsky - Federations of USA and Canada could send them to other events, but did not do so.

    Some of real pretenders for Final because of this will loose their chances.

    It is good for Maxim Kovtun (Events VI and VII) for Events and Final, but why they love him so much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    - Hello, is it psychiatric hospital? We call you from Bled … Yes, where is junior Grand Prix. Please, send us two … no, better four brigades of hospital attendants. Here two Federations became absolutely crazy, and other two behave inadequately too.
    (from one of Russian forums)

    Chinese Federation sent two pretenders to Final on the same Event with very high level of other skaters, while China has enough places at other events.
    Japanese Federation made the same.
    Farris and Sadovsky - Federations of USA and Canada could send them to other events, but did not do so.

    Some of real pretenders for Final because of this will loose their chances.

    It is good for Maxim Kovtun (Events VI and VII) for Events and Final, but why they love him so much?
    what you mean psychiatric hospital ? Pitkeev and Samarin have mental problems ?
    JGP Croatia will have Han Yan and Nathan Chen competing with Kovtun although JGP Germany not so much depth competition
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    Yeah, it's sad that Tanaka, Uno or Sadovsky who could, if not qualify for the Final, at least earn another medal, will be probably forced to obtain an off-podium result... This was absolutely stupid form these federations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Yeah, it's sad that Tanaka, Uno or Sadovsky who could, if not qualify for the Final, at least earn another medal, will be probably forced to obtain an off-podium result... This was absolutely stupid form these federations!
    they should have done what the US and Russian Feds are doing int thi JGP switching assignments and doing replacements, its too competitive here
    From the recent skates looks like Shoma Uno has regeressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    what you mean psychiatric hospital ? Pitkeev and Samarin have mental problems ?
    Pitkeev (6th place of his first Event, i.e. no chance to Final) and Samarin (good, but very young boy, very little chance to Final) are not of concern.

    It is not normal that at one Event so many favourites.
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    JGP Croatia will have Han Yan and Nathan Chen competing with Kovtun although JGP Germany not so much depth competition
    Nathan Chen is very good boy, but Kovtun landed 4T+2T and 4T in FS.
    For all, situation in Croatia is simpler than in Slovenia.

    And we had Event in Turkey, where Petrov was 2nd with score 174.45, because of only one favourite at that Event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    Nathan Chen is very good boy, but Kovtun landed 4T+2T and 4T in FS.
    At age 13, Nathan Chen is a COMPLETE skater. He is super expressive, with every move beautifully performed. At 17, Kovtun is primarily a jumper and the rest of his skating needs work; he is young enough to improve.

    Nathan scored 222 total points (75.15+146.85) at Istanbul. Kovtun's total scores in last year's JGPs were 182.91 (58.47+121.77) and 186.87 (61.14+128.4).

    What is puzzling is that if Kovtun is indeed that promising a skater, why wasn't he sent to Junior Worlds 2012? He did make it to the JGPF, where he finished 4th behind Brown, Han and Farris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    At age 13, Nathan Chen is a COMPLETE skater. He is super expressive, with every move beautifully performed. At 17, Kovtun is primarily a jumper and the rest of his skating needs work; he is young enough to improve.
    Nathan is very, very good "young junior" skater.

    But complete skater must have quads. Nathan is too young for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    At age 13, Nathan Chen is a COMPLETE skater. He is super expressive, with every move beautifully performed. At 17, Kovtun is primarily a jumper and the rest of his skating needs work; he is young enough to improve.

    Nathan scored 222 total points (75.15+146.85) at Istanbul. Kovtun's total scores in last year's JGPs were 182.91 (58.47+121.77) and 186.87 (61.14+128.4).

    What is puzzling is that if Kovtun is indeed that promising a skater, why wasn't he sent to Junior Worlds 2012? He did make it to the JGPF, where he finished 4th behind Brown, Han and Farris.
    can you imagine what scores nathan will be getting by next season or when he gets a quad at Juniors ? a junior record in mens !
    the junior mens are so competitive that Top 6 in JGPF is not even enough

    I see Han Yan, Joshua Farris, Jin Boyang, Jason Brown and Nathan Chen as very likely to go to JGPF
    so that leaves only 1 spot open for the junior mens either one of the Japanese or Kovtun will take it

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    Quads alone don't make a complete skater. Voronov, Reynolds and Menshov all have quads, and none of them can be said to be a 'complete' skater.

    A 13-year-old (Nathan Chen) doesn't have the upper body strength required for a quad. But he has everything else he needs to be a complete skater, and he has plenty of time to get the quad.

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    Quads alone do not make a complete skater but you can not be complete now in 2012 or even back in 2010 if you do not have a quad. I can't believe in a junior competition the jumping will go to such difficulty when in it didn't go this far in seniors at the Olympics in 2010. There you had people saying quads mean nothing to being a complete skater and just triples are enough in the jump department and no one should care that they were the norm for 10 years in winning the major events stopping in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    At age 13, Nathan Chen is a COMPLETE skater. He is super expressive, with every move beautifully performed. At 17, Kovtun is primarily a jumper and the rest of his skating needs work; he is young enough to improve.

    Nathan scored 222 total points (75.15+146.85) at Istanbul. Kovtun's total scores in last year's JGPs were 182.91 (58.47+121.77) and 186.87 (61.14+128.4).

    What is puzzling is that if Kovtun is indeed that promising a skater, why wasn't he sent to Junior Worlds 2012? He did make it to the JGPF, where he finished 4th behind Brown, Han and Farris.
    Kovtun did not skate his best at Russian Junior Nationals and wound up placing 3rd, behind Bush and Dmitriev, who were named to the JW team. There was talk that Kovtun really should have been sent instead of Dmitriev, who did not qualify for the JGPF and wound up placing 14th at JW, but Russia tends to stick to it's Junior National's results when determining JW spots, so Kovtun didn't get to go. Now that Bush and Dmitriev have both aged out of juniors, I'm sure Kovtun will be on the team this season. He was very good in the FS at last season's JGPF.

    Anyways, regardless of if he's a "complete" skater or not, Chen's score from JGP Austria speaks for itself, it's the highest score of any junior man this season and is just a fraction of a point lower than what Han Yan won the JWC with last season, which was a world record score. Based on that, he is competition for Kovtun and likely to beat him if he can skate like he did in Austria. Keep in mind Chen managed that score with no quad and just 1 3a in his FS.

    In any event, this field is super deep! I'd actually say Tanaka is a main contender for a medal because if he skates well he's really almost on par with Farris and Yan and could probably beat Jin based on PCS. When he's on, Tanaka is a very very strong skater, he just tends to be "off" a lot unfortunately. I just hope that Farris and Yan can both qualify for the JGPF! Josh has his one gold which should help him, so even if he is off this competition and falters, finishing say 4th, behind Yan, Jin, and Tanaka, he would likely still qualify. Yan is likely to finish 1st or 2nd at his next event and I don't see him off the podium here so he should be fine. I'm excited to see Jin again, his jumps are amazing!

    Also, Tanaka's PB score was from JW in 2011, where he won silver, not 2012, where he was 7th. His FS at 2012 JW was really strong though and he was a close 5th in that segment.

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