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    How many women are there now who hypothetically could have a shot at the 2014 Oly Gold, not just a medal but the gold medal? Kim, Asada, Elizaveta T., Julia L, Adelina S. Wagner, Gold, Kostner. That makes 8, are there any others. I dont know if there ever has been that many in history. Then ones who would have a shot at a medal but not the gold would be the 2nd and 3rd Japanese (probably Suzuki and Murakami), the #3 U.S lady, and possibly 1 or 2 others.

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    Some of those skaters might not even make their Olympic team in 2014. On the other hand someone like Kostner probably doesn't have to skate in her countries Nationals to make their Olympic team since there is very little competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    How many women are there now who hypothetically could have a shot at the 2014 Oly Gold, not just a medal but the gold medal? Kim, Asada, Elizaveta T., Julia L, Adelina S. Wagner, Gold, Kostner. That makes 8, are there any others. I dont know if there ever has been that many in history. Then ones who would have a shot at a medal but not the gold would be the 2nd and 3rd Japanese (probably Suzuki and Murakami), the #3 U.S lady, and possibly 1 or 2 others.
    Out of those 8, 5 probably possess a difficult 3-3 combo (Asada, Wagner, and Kostner prolly not). Out of those 5, if assuming the winner will be one with a hard 3-3, I'd say Gold has shown good consistency with them and her artistry is improving (her hideaway sp is not bad as some people say). Julia, I'm not a big fan as she is still young and juniorish. Adelina is prolly the best all-around Russian, and I think will overcome any growth, injury issues to remain on the podium (I believe she got a 3lz-3t with no edge call). Liza is maturing into her own style with better ice coverage, and might be the most consistent Russian in terms of jumps. The question is Yuna, if she still has her big 3-3 and if she can get back into competition shape with good coaching, plus overcoming any motivation issues.
    Asada may land her 3a again, but may not, and might be hurt without a big 3-3 and edge issues on a lutz, for example.
    Wagner delivers solid, but not spectacular performances. I think the judges will want a skater with an exceptional quality, not just spunk.
    Kostner, imo, has already peaked. Her artistry and basic skating is still there, but any big jump combos may be gone.
    If the podium will consist of Kim, Sotnikova, Tukt, or Gold, I'd prolly eliminate Gold 1st. She has the tech allright, but something is not there yet.
    Then out of the final 3, hmm...after a lot of contemplating...I will pick Eliza T. Yep, the tiny little Mishin protege will strike gold in Sochi and capture people's hearts. So- 1. Eliza T 2. Yuna Kim 3. Adelina S. Not a betting man, though

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    Quote Originally Posted by guanchi View Post
    Out of those 8, 5 probably possess a difficult 3-3 combo (Asada, Wagner, and Kostner prolly not). Out of those 5, if assuming the winner will be one with a hard 3-3, I'd say Gold has shown good consistency with them and her artistry is improving (her hideaway sp is not bad as some people say). Julia, I'm not a big fan as she is still young and juniorish. Adelina is prolly the best all-around Russian, and I think will overcome any growth, injury issues to remain on the podium (I believe she got a 3lz-3t with no edge call). Liza is maturing into her own style with better ice coverage, and might be the most consistent Russian in terms of jumps. The question is Yuna, if she still has her big 3-3 and if she can get back into competition shape with good coaching, plus overcoming any motivation issues.
    Asada may land her 3a again, but may not, and might be hurt without a big 3-3 and edge issues on a lutz, for example.
    Wagner delivers solid, but not spectacular performances. I think the judges will want a skater with an exceptional quality, not just spunk.
    Kostner, imo, has already peaked. Her artistry and basic skating is still there, but any big jump combos may be gone.
    If the podium will consist of Kim, Sotnikova, Tukt, or Gold, I'd prolly eliminate Gold 1st. She has the tech allright, but something is not there yet.
    Then out of the final 3, hmm...after a lot of contemplating...I will pick Eliza T. Yep, the tiny little Mishin protege will strike gold in Sochi and capture people's hearts. So- 1. Eliza T 2. Yuna Kim 3. Adelina S. Not a betting man, though
    you seriously think that Mao Asada won't be including a 3A or 3-3 at the olympics?? if soo i doubt we are talking about the same skater!

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    how many points did Adelina lose to that Zayaked jump ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    how many points did Adelina lose to that Zayaked jump ?
    Almost 9 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'etoile View Post
    Almost 9 points.
    Interesting - and let's not forget the missed flip in the SP and LP.

    It seems pretty sure the judges like Adelina's qualities/assets and if she had skated clean she would have won (or been very close to winning).

    But it seems to be a cause for concern particularly with some of the Russian posters.

    It is hard to compare some of the younger skaters with the veterans. Last season Liza seemed unbeatable until she was soundly beaten at the GPF. On top of that she was not in good enough shape to skate at JR Worlds after a long season.

    Adelina has gone through a considerable growth spurt and just turned 16 a few months ago.
    She is still just a kid and adjusting to the her new body and the senior circuit.

    I admit I am a big fan of Adelina and don't feel overly concerned at the moment. This season is to stabilize and hopefully begin to establish the type of reputation the CoP rewards so richly.

    The thing to consider at times with younger skaters - even all skaters - is their potential. If a younger Rachael had made the mistakes Adelina made at SA she would be nowhere near the podium. Even when Rachael skated clean at big Intl competitions she was still a gazillion points behind the champion.

    That's not the case with Adelina - who has the quality and assets to compete with the world's best.

    Lots of fans said Mao or Yuna could have won the Torino Olympics - but look what happened the following season. They were both beaten at Worlds by Miki.

    Who knows what will happen in the future but I think Adelina is a truly gifted skater. Barring injuries I have no doubt her day will come.

    Will it be in time for Sochi? That I can't predict but for now I am enjoying the process of seeing her go from an astounding child prodigy to a lovely young skater struggling at times to find her best.

    Real fans have real faith...... and sometimes it is the journey that is just as fascinating as the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Interesting - and let's not forget the missed flip in the SP and LP.

    It seems pretty sure the judges like Adelina's qualities/assets and if she had skated clean she would have won (or been very close to winning).

    But it seems to be a cause for concern particularly with some of the Russian posters.

    It is hard to compare some of the younger skaters with the veterans. Last season Liza seemed unbeatable until she was soundly beaten at the GPF. On top of that she was not in good enough shape to skate at JR Worlds after a long season.

    Adelina has gone through a considerable growth spurt and just turned 16 a few months ago.
    She is still just a kid and adjusting to the her new body and the senior circuit.

    I admit I am a big fan of Adelina and don't feel overly concerned at the moment. This season is to stabilize and hopefully begin to establish the type of reputation the CoP rewards so richly.

    The thing to consider at times with younger skaters - even all skaters - is their potential. If a younger Rachael had made the mistakes Adelina made at SA she would be nowhere near the podium. Even when Rachael skated clean at big Intl competitions she was still a gazillion points behind the champion.

    That's not the case with Adelina - who has the quality and assets to compete with the world's best.

    Lots of fans said Mao or Yuna could have won the Torino Olympics - but look what happened the following season. They were both beaten at Worlds by Miki.

    Who knows what will happen in the future but I think Adelina is a truly gifted skater. Barring injuries I have no doubt her day will come.

    Will it be in time for Sochi? That I can't predict but for now I am enjoying the process of seeing her go from an astounding child prodigy to a lovely young skater struggling at times to find her best.

    Real fans have real faith...... and sometimes it is the journey that is just as fascinating as the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    I am judging both on placement - second to third and a popped flip in the sp -the fall - the zayaking- 2a problem. She is one of the most high level messes currently skating! She is like Kostner pre 2010. Maybe in 5 years or so she will be good.
    I gave her 2 seasons but I gave up on Adelina after her Skate America results, I agree she will be a non factor , I don't think she will even be in Sochi
    losing to Osmond and now Gao ? lol but she could be a Maria Butyrskaya/Craolina Kostner, an unstable skater that will have her career peak she she will be 25 years old or older..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Thanks - and I could use the great Carolina Kostner as a prime example. I could also use Akiko and Alissa as an example of skaters who did not show their best until they were well into their 20's.

    Racing is cool - but that feels more like "speed skating" to me.

    Sometimes I wonder if ISU (and quite a few fans) even know the difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    I gave her 2 seasons but I gave up on Adelina after her Skate America results, I agree she will be a non factor , I don't think she will even be in Sochi
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    Wow - I am very impressed by your generosity

    So going back to when Adelina was what - 13 or 14 "you gave her two seasons"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    I gave her 2 seasons but I gave up on Adelina after her Skate America results, I agree she will be a non factor , I don't think she will even be in Sochi
    losing to Osmond and now Gao ? lol but she could be a Maria Butyrskaya/Craolina Kostner, an unstable skater that will have her career peak she she will be 25 years old or older..
    Seriously? So you don't see any improvements in her skating compared to last season? She really attacked her LP in Skate America, landed a clean 3Lz-3T, tried to get as many points as possible by adding an extra combo, didn't gave up after the fall. And what is more important, she doesn't look as a scared Bambi on ice. She had a nice attitude in her SP and looked more relaxed in the LP than I have ever seen her. Some skaters have their debut in a striking way, like Liza did last season. Some need some time to adjust and to build confidence. We don't have to compare her with Mao or Yuna, she may achieve their results some day or not. Neither Ashley or Cristina achieved what Adelina did at 16 years old. It's not results that matter right now for her. She needs confidence and stability. I believe she will get her act together some day soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Wow - I am very impressed by your generosity

    So going back to when Adelina was what - 13 or 14 "you gave her two seasons"
    It's really hard to root for inconsistent skaters, maybe Adelina can finally reach her peak in her late 20's if she stays that long
    I already said she could be a Carolina/Maria Butyrskaya type of skater, so I'm not saying she is a complete failure

    Consistency is what makes winners, no matter how beautiful your skating is but you cant land jumps or handle pressures
    you will never be a true champion ask Alissa or Sasha Cohen . atm Adelina just doesn't have nerves of steel. she could improve but that might take some time

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    Adelina is just 16, she has a long career and there are a lot of great things about her skating, I dont believe why someone would write her off, she is on the podium in every competition she enters, she is not winning everything, but I bet many ladies would want to be in the top 3 in every competition.
    Wagner had her rough years, Kostner had her bad years, Adelina has a very strong competition even inside Russia, I think she will only improve from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Adelina is just 16, she has a long career and there are a lot of great things about her skating, I dont believe why someone would write her off, she is on the podium in every competition she enters, she is not winning everything, but I bet many ladies would want to be in the top 3 in every competition.
    Wagner had her rough years, Kostner had her bad years, Adelina has a very strong competition even inside Russia, I think she will only improve from now on.
    I consider her even though she gets on almost every podium as failures, considering her skating ability, you would know that had she made not all those silly mistakes, she would not be behind all those other skaters, yes Adelina is very talented but its her being inconsistent that is a letdown for me .

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