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    Quote Originally Posted by Living on the Edge View Post
    I have to disagree with you here. Plushenko has a VERY strong personality and is almost 30 years old. If his team comes up with something for him and he doesn't like it, it's NOT getting done. He's not a 7 yr old preliminary skater who will do whatever his coach says.
    I didnt say anything close to that. It s not a matter if he likes it or not, if they have seen with Mishin that he doesnt have stamina for backloading they are just not doing it. Not that he doesnt get the math as you said. It is not like he can do it and Mishin or him say no. He cant afford a 5-3 now in my opinion. Unless you think they havent thought of the option. I just said Arthur has different jump layout. Obviously they know what is 3-5 but it doesnt work for them.
    Probably they have a more detailed plan than Vancouver and they follow it. I ve seen numerous competition practices of him and his training this summer, they surely discuss all the stuff but because he is 30 and not a baby doent mean he doesnt need a coach to guide him and is acting like a spoiled star. When Mishin says jump 10 times, he just does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    . When Mishin says jump 10 times, he just does.
    And when Mishin says his goal is for Plushy to "crush and destroy all enemies" does he he really mean it

    What is he thinking of doing - maybe running a few of Plu's competitors over with the zamboni

    And who says figure skating isn't a dangerous and very manly sport
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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid very well by NBC to act the way he did
    That doesn't make it right and left a very sour taste in everyone's mouth. Esp. when he went to the top step of the podium before moving to the 2nd place step. I was just appalled..and the platinum medal thing on his website...ugh...he makes me want to barf. It was almost as bad as when Surya Bonaly removed her medal at worlds after losing to Yuka Sato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Living on the Edge View Post
    ..and the platinum medal thing on his website...ugh...he makes me want to barf.
    His fans made platinum medal for him. Why can't he put it on his website to please his fans and show them that he appreciate his fans' effort?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Living on the Edge View Post
    That doesn't make it right and left a very sour taste in everyone's mouth. Esp. when he went to the top step of the podium before moving to the 2nd place step. I was just appalled..and the platinum medal thing on his website...ugh...he makes me want to barf. It was almost as bad as when Surya Bonaly removed her medal at worlds after losing to Yuka Sato.
    Can't we let it go already?
    I was kidding about NBC ....sort of....

    The truth is skating needs colorful personalities like Plushy, Mishin and yes...Frank Carroll too.

    If someone like Frank won't get up and scream at the US tech panel and judges for serioulsy questionble calls and PCS....who will?

    We see this in "real sports" all the time.

    Whoever said skating had to be some soft excuse for a sport lacking competitiveness and PASSION?
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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    And when Mishin says his goal is for Plushy to "crush and destroy all enemies" does he he really mean it

    What is he thinking of doing - mayber unning a few of Plu's competitors over with the zamboni
    Yes a zamboni driving license wouldnt hurt I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    And when Mishin says his goal is for Plushy to "crush and destroy all enemies" does he he really mean it
    It is amaizing how much Plushenko trust Mishin and does exactly what Mishin orders to do.
    He just did two quads, 3a and level 4 steps, both steps with +GOE, spins level 2,3,4. Not bad at all for 29 yo guy. He will fix his second 3A and triples by RN.

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    And regarding "big olympic fight", he will fight only for gold medal, nothing else is his goal in Sochi.
    Fans will be happy to see him on a podium, but Plushenko see himself only on a top step. Can he do it, only god knows and judges.

    imho

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    It'll be exciting to watch him in action, won't it? If his attitude is what keeps him going so magnificently, then I can't fault him. Two quads, heavens above! When I think of all the headcases, male and female, in skating these days, and all the inexperienced youngsters who don't yet have a consistent rhythm going, I'm thrilled to see someone with Plushenko's self-assurance (and the goods to back it up!) still making waves in the skating world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Living on the Edge View Post
    That doesn't make it right and left a very sour taste in everyone's mouth. Esp. when he went to the top step of the podium before moving to the 2nd place step. I was just appalled..and the platinum medal thing on his website...ugh...he makes me want to barf. It was almost as bad as when Surya Bonaly removed her medal at worlds after losing to Yuka Sato.
    Wait,wait my friends! I think you believe in your hostile media!!! Plushy's american fans remember the constant and saturation-level vilification of Plushy in American mainstream media- one of the most powerful machines in the world- not so long ago. And it's not even just Plushy although it was particularly bad against him in 2010. This is the "UGH",and same, my friend, because they hadn't accuracy informations!!! Evgeni has not given himself platinum medal on his web-site his fans gave him from all over the world, who supported him and fought for him with the ISU, and everywhere on the Net, etc. I think this is the the origin of the platinum medal: his wife said after the competition, one silver and one gold= platina, and his fans liked it, and wrote everywhere. Probably one of the administrators was very enthusiastic, and outraged, and she made that mistake. Evgeni was very surprised when he found out, and immediately threw down. We know this, because we read every day his site, we followed the events through, you believe me. He is great guy, he is always sincere..


    (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022304673.html)
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics ... enko_N.htm
    By NANCY ARMOUR The Associated Press Tuesday, February 23, 2010

    Agent: Plushenko isn't creating new Olympic medals

    VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- Evgeni Plushenko isn't awarding himself a new medal. Or creating one, for that matter.

    Reports Tuesday said a picture of the Olympic silver medalist's latest prize was labeled "platinum of Vancouver" on Plushenko's official Web site. His medal from the Salt Lake City Games was properly identified as silver. But agent Ari Zakarian said no one had authority to do this "stupid thing," and Plushenko himself was not aware of it.

    There were no labels beneath the pictures of Plushenko's three Olympic medals as of Tuesday afternoon. The Russian also has a gold from the Turin Olympics.

    "It's absolutely a mistake. Evgeni has absolutely no idea about this. Absolutely no idea," Zakarian said. "Nobody from our team is awarding a platinum medal."

    Plushenko, coach Alexei Mishin and even a few Russian politicians were furious with the results of the men's competition. Plushenko, the heavy favorite, finished second to American Evan Lysacek despite being the only top contender to land a clean quadruple jump.

    "Quad is quad. If the Olympic champion doesn't know how to jump the quad, I don't know," Plushenko said afterward. "Now it's not men's figure skating, it's dancing. That's my point."

    But the overall quality of Lysacek's program was better, and the reigning world champion got bonus points for doing five of his eight jumping passes in the second half of the program.

    The drama has hurt Plushenko's reputation, with critics saying it's in poor taste and the three-time world champion should be letting Lysacek enjoy his moment.

    Plushenko just wants to move on, Zakarian said, and incidents like Tuesday don't help.

    "Of course he's sad. He wanted to do his best," Zakarian said. "But it's past, it's done and he's looking forward to the next competition. This is history. It's over."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sec ... id=4939878
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics ... enko_N.htm

    But the Russians gave him a gold medal: on March 24, 2010 Siberian jewelers decided to award Plushenko a special medal weighing more than half a kilo of pure gold. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Puq0TDe30
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    ""Quad is quad. If the Olympic champion doesn't know how to jump the quad, I don't know," Plushenko said afterward. "Now it's not men's figure skating, it's dancing. That's my point."

    Whether he had anything to do with the platinum medal or not, that quote right there shows his attitude. He lost on his own strength (technique) and refuses to admit it and will hold it against Lysacek probably forever.

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    ^Well it seems they took his words seriously then cause now two quads in Lp is the trend.
    Plushenko stated his opinion for the level of competition, he may hold it again RF for not politicking enough or the specific judges but against Lysacek personally and forever because he didnt have the quad?
    Personal opinion is that if he has continued to compete he must have left these behind, otherwise it is hard to get motivated again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Wait,wait my friends! I think you believe in your hostile media!!! Plushy's american fans remember the constant and saturation-level vilification of Plushy in American mainstream media- one of the most powerful machines in the world- not so long ago. And it's not even just Plushy although it was particularly bad against him in 2010. This is the "UGH",and same, my friend, because they hadn't accuracy informations!!! Evgeni has not given himself platinum medal on his web-site his fans gave him from all over the world, who supported him and fought for him with the ISU, and everywhere on the Net, etc. I think this is the the origin of the platinum medal: his wife said after the competition, one silver and one gold= platina, and his fans liked it, and wrote everywhere. Probably one of the administrators was very enthusiastic, and outraged, and she made that mistake. Evgeni was very surprised when he found out, and immediately threw down. We know this, because we read every day his site, we followed the events through, you believe me. He is great guy, he is always sincere..


    (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022304673.html)
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics ... enko_N.htm
    By NANCY ARMOUR The Associated Press Tuesday, February 23, 2010

    Agent: Plushenko isn't creating new Olympic medals

    VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- Evgeni Plushenko isn't awarding himself a new medal. Or creating one, for that matter.

    Reports Tuesday said a picture of the Olympic silver medalist's latest prize was labeled "platinum of Vancouver" on Plushenko's official Web site. His medal from the Salt Lake City Games was properly identified as silver. But agent Ari Zakarian said no one had authority to do this "stupid thing," and Plushenko himself was not aware of it.

    There were no labels beneath the pictures of Plushenko's three Olympic medals as of Tuesday afternoon. The Russian also has a gold from the Turin Olympics.

    "It's absolutely a mistake. Evgeni has absolutely no idea about this. Absolutely no idea," Zakarian said. "Nobody from our team is awarding a platinum medal."

    Plushenko, coach Alexei Mishin and even a few Russian politicians were furious with the results of the men's competition. Plushenko, the heavy favorite, finished second to American Evan Lysacek despite being the only top contender to land a clean quadruple jump.

    "Quad is quad. If the Olympic champion doesn't know how to jump the quad, I don't know," Plushenko said afterward. "Now it's not men's figure skating, it's dancing. That's my point."

    But the overall quality of Lysacek's program was better, and the reigning world champion got bonus points for doing five of his eight jumping passes in the second half of the program.

    The drama has hurt Plushenko's reputation, with critics saying it's in poor taste and the three-time world champion should be letting Lysacek enjoy his moment.

    Plushenko just wants to move on, Zakarian said, and incidents like Tuesday don't help.

    "Of course he's sad. He wanted to do his best," Zakarian said. "But it's past, it's done and he's looking forward to the next competition. This is history. It's over."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sec ... id=4939878
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics ... enko_N.htm

    But the Russians gave him a gold medal: on March 24, 2010 Siberian jewelers decided to award Plushenko a special medal weighing more than half a kilo of pure gold. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Puq0TDe30


    Platinum medal doesn't exist in FS, Plushenko can call his silver medal whatever he wants, same as his fans. US media can't dictate what to do, to fans, to webmaster or to anyone else. End of the story.
    Zakaryan should keep his mouth shut, his stupid excuses created false impression. It wasn’t bright of him.
    Mr. Putin, Russian president told Plushenko: “Your silver medal is real gold for us”. Russia didn’t want to claim second gold, as Canadian did in 2002, even crowd messages were given at the very top level in Russia, you can't foolish millions of Russian viewers (US media forgot about viewers from other countries).

    Then Plushenko fans, his wife called his silver medal not silver, not gold (like Putin), but platinum for them, because of his huge achievements at three Olympic Games.
    You can’t fix questionable judging by using media attacks, only naive will buy it.

    As Russian say: " If you want to protect yourself start attacking first", that is exactly what US media did to protect Lysachek gold medal.

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    A part of plushenkos immediate reaction was to blame the system and not the skaters. He did not like what happened and said so but it really is behind him at this point. His goal is Sochi now and the system changes with regard to point values of quads and less penalty for failure now you have senior b and junior grand prix winners doing quads. And almost all of them are younger and healthier but he is going for two quads now and as an effect needs frontloading so he may get beat again even if he is clean by someone with two quads and backloaded 3 Axels. But they may not have his drive to win in Sochi.

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    If his goal is Olympics, which is, if he gets beaten in the competitions before Sochi it will only make him good, actually that was my objection with Euros 2010 that they didnt send him a message for his programs. He wont get harmed by losing to several people at Euros and Worlds, this might be a feedback, his motivation and wake up call a la Chan Especially at Worlds that wont win anyway but it is better cause I believe in the curse

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