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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    It's true that skated early affected her PCS badly. That only means they had fixed the PCS for each group before hand. That is not fair!
    If you ever watch the first warm up groups at Worlds, you'll see clearly how a no-name skater with limited jump repertoire but good skating skills, nice choreo and engaging presentation gets about the same PCS as a no-name skater with limited jump repertoire and mediocre SS, horrid choreo and no musicality/projection whatsoever. That's figure skating judging for you!

    As far as Mao's Sochi performance goes, I'm sure she knows she had an AMAZING free skate and the scores she received can't take that away from her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YesWay View Post
    The most important thing is that Mao gave us that magnificent free skate.
    It will live in our memories forever. It doesn't matter what score they gave it.
    Totally agree!
    What a pity they haven't uploaded this performance in HQ onto youtube. Why is that? Lots of wonderful performances are held up, for what reason? Hanyu's SP which is a WR, Yuna's SP which is also a masterpiece, V/T's SP in pair event...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    What a pity they haven't uploaded this performance in HQ onto youtube. Why is that? Lots of wonderful performances are held up, for what reason? Hanyu's SP which is a WR, Yuna's SP which is also a masterpiece, V/T's SP in pair event...
    As far as I can tell, it's because they are Olympic performances. Copyright hawks over at NBC etc. seem to be very alert and if someone uploads "too good" vids, they get taken down really quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotoschool View Post
    The whole travesty was irredeemably corrupt and in my mind really doesn't bare any more scrutiny because of its sleazy certainty. I call a spade a spade, wash my soul clean by bathing in the peerless beauty of the performance, with no numbers from judges to adulterate its memory. Mao here is spiritual magnanimity and technical perfection personified.
    I am thinking, it seems to me that Russian Fed are too greedy this time, it might hurt them in 2018 you know.
    What a pity since they are having all these girls at once: Yulia, Radionova, Anna Pogo, Liza, Sotnikova... I mean I don't want to see these talents wasted at 2018 because of all politiking between those greedy Feds. Why can't they just wait, just 4 more year? The ladies field in Russia is so deep at the moment, I am sure they would have at least 60% of a gold medal next Olympic. But now... with all the controversial judging, I am not sure anymore.
    Or it is because Plushy withdrew so they couldn't give him the gold as plan (not that I mind if they gave him the gold because men event was tedious, at least Plushy would have a high chance of stand still) so they had to give it to another Russian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimi View Post
    As far as I can tell, it's because they are Olympic performances. Copyright hawks over at NBC etc. seem to be very alert and if someone uploads "too good" vids, they get taken down really quickly.
    Last month I found one Japanese user who upload all high def videos of all Japanese sketers with Japanese commentators. She/He avoided the IOC web police by posting the whole thing in Japanese. But I couldn't find them anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    Totally agree!
    What a pity they haven't uploaded this performance in HQ onto youtube. Why is that? Lots of wonderful performances are held up, for what reason? Hanyu's SP which is a WR, Yuna's SP which is also a masterpiece, V/T's SP in pair event...
    Well, I thought all of those ones were on the "official" Sochi youtube channel somewhere? If not, I guess they might show up eventually.

    They haven't seen fit to put Asada's FS there (yet).

    Don't really understand why they don't just splurge eveything on there straight way though :-/

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    If anyone was underscored in the Olympics free skate, it was Mao. That was a performance for the ages. Just thinking about it tears me up a little.

    I'm baffled by what happened with the components score. It's not a given that starting order determines the score. Shen & Zhao won the Olympics by virtue of their short program, and they went first. Mao should have more than enough stature to defy the starting order.

    There wasn't any reason to lowball her. She was out of medal contention even if she won the free skate (and she definitely should've), barring huge meltdowns from everyone at the top. Or maybe that's why they lowballed her. Decided it didn't matter, she was out of a medal anyway, and they were gonna punish her even more for the short program disaster.

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    Does anyone have news about her possible/probable retirement ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FS.Addict View Post
    Does anyone have news about her possible/probable retirement ?
    There is no news yet, I read somewhere that she may make an announcement in May, the JSF wants to have an answer then, but if Mao can't make up her mind by then I think her answer might be delayed further.

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    I watch too much skating. I was watching an Hawaii travelogue and thought these fried dough treats were named after Mao. After all, she is sweet.


    http://www.leonardshawaii.com/malasadas/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I watch too much skating. I was watching an Hawaii travelogue and thought these fried dough treats were named after Mao. After all, she is sweet.


    http://www.leonardshawaii.com/malasadas/
    hah I can totally imagine myself mistaking it too if I saw the name

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    could someone who understands japanese please give a brief translation of what Nobu said about Mao:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fyg2BJqKMA

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    Quote Originally Posted by mary01 View Post
    could someone who understands japanese please give a brief translation of what Nobu said about Mao:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fyg2BJqKMA
    This is more than "brief" but here is a translation of almost everything Oda says about Mao.
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    Oda says that the fundamentals are really important in skating but he wasn't stoic enough to endure the fundamental skating practices. The person who has the skills to be stoic to enhance herself is Mao. She practices like a monk in training.

    Oda: 3A is a really difficult technique even for men and the fact that she succeeded in jumping 3A when she was just 14 is a result that comes from nothing but her efforts. Also, she spent 4 years correcting her jumps from scratch. Her jumps suffered for 1~2 years but she overcame them. I had a problem where I'd crouch before doing axels and the judges used to advise me to correct them, but I ignored them. Usually, people don't correct jumps after reaching maturity because they're extremely difficult to change so they give up after 1~2 months. Mao broke down her old techniques and spent 2 years redoing her fundamentals step by step with her coach and showed us the compilation of her skating skills in Sochi.
    MC: She didn't do well in her SP. Weren't you shocked?
    Oda: Totally shocked. The skater before Mao was Sotnikova and she skated really well and the cheer from the crowd was enormous.
    MC: And how much time did she have to start her program?
    Oda: 1 minute. When the crowd cheers like that for the skater before you, you curse your bad luck and just want to run away. The crowd was so loud and the fence between the rink and the coach is wider at the Olys than at other competitions so I was afraid she'd be unable to hear what her coach was saying, then she went off to start her program so I was really concerned, then she made mistakes like I'd never seen before. I think they were caused by the pressure from the crowd, pressure of the Olys. But I thought her skating was beautiful as a result of the 4 years of hard work so I sent her a message on LINE saying that "there were mistakes, but thank you for your beautiful skating" and she replied "Thank you" and we exchanged a few words like "I'll do my best tomorrow" and "You can do it. I trust you" then after she skated the FS, I cried.
    MC: I think everybody cried. She's like the "national daughter".
    Oda: I just want to say that the scoring was really strict. She skated in the earlier group as a result from her SP so I don't think the judges knew what to do when she skated so well. I think they should have scored her higher. She received URs for a couple of the jumps. When I was watching her in slow motion, I was shouting "That was NOT a UR!", "That 3-3 was rotated!", "She needs to be scored higher!". Of course, I was shouting at the TV because I can't say it to their faces…
    MC: You're retired now. You're the only one who can say those things.
    Oda: I think they were extremely strict on her.
    MC: Those jumps were fully rotated right?
    Oda: Those jumps were fully rotated! Anyone could tell that they were perfect! What were they looking at!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikaboo View Post
    This is more than "brief" but here is a translation of almost everything Oda says about Mao.
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    Oda says that the fundamentals are really important in skating but he wasn't stoic enough to endure the fundamental skating practices. The person who has the skills to be stoic to enhance herself is Mao. She practices like a monk in training.

    Oda: 3A is a really difficult technique even for men and the fact that she succeeded in jumping 3A when she was just 14 is a result that comes from nothing but her efforts. Also, she spent 4 years correcting her jumps from scratch. Her jumps suffered for 1~2 years but she overcame them. I had a problem where I'd crouch before doing axels and the judges used to advise me to correct them, but I ignored them. Usually, people don't correct jumps after reaching maturity because they're extremely difficult to change so they give up after 1~2 months. Mao broke down her old techniques and spent 2 years redoing her fundamentals step by step with her coach and showed us the compilation of her skating skills in Sochi.
    MC: She didn't do well in her SP. Weren't you shocked?
    Oda: Totally shocked. The skater before Mao was Sotnikova and she skated really well and the cheer from the crowd was enormous.
    MC: And how much time did she have to start her program?
    Oda: 1 minute. When the crowd cheers like that for the skater before you, you curse your bad luck and just want to run away. The crowd was so loud and the fence between the rink and the coach is wider at the Olys than at other competitions so I was afraid she'd be unable to hear what her coach was saying, then she went off to start her program so I was really concerned, then she made mistakes like I'd never seen before. I think they were caused by the pressure from the crowd, pressure of the Olys. But I thought her skating was beautiful as a result of the 4 years of hard work so I sent her a message on LINE saying that "there were mistakes, but thank you for your beautiful skating" and she replied "Thank you" and we exchanged a few words like "I'll do my best tomorrow" and "You can do it. I trust you" then after she skated the FS, I cried.
    MC: I think everybody cried. She's like the "national daughter".
    Oda: I just want to say that the scoring was really strict. She skated in the earlier group as a result from her SP so I don't think the judges knew what to do when she skated so well. I think they should have scored her higher. She received URs for a couple of the jumps. When I was watching her in slow motion, I was shouting "That was NOT a UR!", "That 3-3 was rotated!", "She needs to be scored higher!". Of course, I was shouting at the TV because I can't say it to their faces…
    MC: You're retired now. You're the only one who can say those things.
    Oda: I think they were extremely strict on her.
    MC: Those jumps were fully rotated right?
    Oda: Those jumps were fully rotated! Anyone could tell that they were perfect! What were they looking at!?
    Thank you soo much for taking the time to translate this, it was really interesting, another skater that was speechless and disgusted by the injustice and the ridicoules marks the judges gave Mao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikaboo View Post
    The person who has the skills to be stoic to enhance herself is Mao. She practices like a monk in training.
    Although I assume that is one of her strengths, I recall Coach Sato saying it's also one of her weaknesses. Seems she'll often practice something like 5 hours a day, and Sato's opinion was that this can create a habit of only skating at "70%" all the time (because you can't practice that long, unless you're holding back)

    His view is, it can be a bad habit, because it can make it more difficult to skate at "100%" when she needs to (in competition).

    He likes it when she is exhausted after 30 minutes of practice... because that means she practiced at 100%...! :-D

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