Ooooo we can hand out punch cards!
Originally Posted by seniorita
So, this quote started with me saying something like I don't like when we mix critique of the rules with critiques of particular skaters who happen to skate by the rules (and do exceptionally well in this instance). So, Chan's comment discussed in a broader context of criticizing COP veers very close to, IMO, criticizing Chan for being good at skating by the rules.
Originally Posted by Mathman
But sure, he could be more humble or even polite, or just better in the PR department. One might even argue that as a figure-head for Canadian skating and even international skating (or contemporary elite competitive skating), he would serve himself and sport better if in fact he took the path you suggested. So, I don't disagree with you at all. I just get nervous when we teeter on conflate things like potential problems with the rules or judging system with the actual individuals being judged (again, who might be doing exactly what the rules say they should do, which makes it hard for me to fault them for doing it or for trying to do it).
leave no stone unturned
Hubert video should have a warning before watching it psysically hurts.
Originally Posted by Buttercup
Chan 's ex coach, why she was there, with which skater was she?
She coaches Agnes Z who unfortunately did not skate well.
I agree - except wonder why you said "eventually" ?
Originally Posted by bekalc
It's pretty obvious how unpopular "Chanflation" is and with the exception of his ubers and the former judge who posts here from time to time it seems the majority already see Men's skating and the CoP to be something of a farce.
Fast is fast - and splat is splat.
Something's gotta give.......
Wicked Yankee Girl
Medusa, Welcome back! The season has now really started.
Originally Posted by Medusa
and janetfan,I think it should be remembered that despite one judge reducing Patrick's skating skills score only to 9.00 here, we have proved conclusively the falseness of the base canard that Patrick could fall 4 times and win...he finished last here.
The Zamboni Rocks!!!
Wow!!! Cham is actually human! LOL
Last edited by janetfan; 10-07-2012 at 03:13 PM.
I guess what struck me was that the title of the article referred to a "wake-up call." Yet what Chan actually said was pretty much the opposite. Everything's fine, I love my programs, training is going well, my new coaching team is just what the doctor ordered, by Nationals I'll be doing a quad flip.
Originally Posted by emma
If he is "good at skating by the rules" and knows it, where's the "wake-up?"
When I read that Patrick leaves his former coach, I thought it isn't a good decision. She is an excellent technical coach. Patrick need it. Patrick isn't too consistent skater in his jumps.
I agree about Christie Krall. This coach Chan has now doesn't even know anything about figure skating let alone jumps. Sure she might help him on some things but i don't see how she will help him with things like jumps.
MM - true indeed, the title of the article does raise the kind of question you raised! Maybe the title, though, reflected more of what Doris was thinking and less of what Chan may or may not of actually learned or felt or even said when interviewed - that is, maybe the article title was reflecting the question: can Chan win if he falls 4 times, with the answer now being, no.
Regardless, he did say basically what you said - all is great. Except he also sort of implied all the changes are or were hard on him too, like it takes him a while to get used to everything. I'm not really sure what that means or why that translates into 4 falls, or why then (like he implied he wasn't feeling the ice or motivated on that day, so why?). Hope it doesn't mean he needs Krall....but time will tell that, I suppose.
I still think it strange that he fell the way he fell (not so much how many times, but just the way he fell).
ETA I don't think, though, that Chan is known for being at his best at the start of the season; and given that he has 2 new programs this year (something he hasn't had in a while), this might all just be that he isn't 'there' yet.
I truly believe the wake up call should mean get krall back but once I calm down the program and transitons and technique for edges are still there but the jumps and even spins. He won't even be top 5 if this continues. Though sadly he is still better than Canada's no.2 Reynolds. In fact, Buttle may want to think about returning - he is still good enough to be no. 2 in Canada and maybe 8th or so if he does his best (for now) at world's.
Did you advocate him replacing Krall when he fell three times at the Japan Open last year? I mean, this was a disaster even he hasn't done before, but it's not as if Chan's ever been in peak form early in the season - certainly not for the past couple of seasons.
Originally Posted by Skater Boy
That stated, his words about Johnson herself make Johnson sound like an enabler, which is the last think Chan needs, imo.
The fact that he fell four times and didn't win THIS TIME actually restored some of my faith in the COP. When you can fall more times than you stand up and be shaky on elements and still blow everyone else out of the water, the scoring needs to be changed.
Originally Posted by janetfan
Also I agree with you. some of these judges appear to have the PChan version of beer goggles