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I'd be interested to see the better footwork that these three have over Chan at his best.
To be fair, those guys have to be at their best too. So you really doubt they can achieve level4 steps.
I'd be interested to see the better footwork that these three have over Chan at his best.
Chan is only 21 and skaters like Armodio and Gachinsky are not even in Patricks league right now. All you have to do is look at results from the last couple years. As for Plushenko he could only wish he had the skills of Chan. Yes Plush has the jumps but not much in between.
when was the last time you watched Plushenko, and Amodio, Gachinsky not far from Chan, they both young and motivated, both have better spins then Chan and Gachinsky has two 3axels, he is just unlucky to be second Russian men behind Plushenko
To be fair, those guys have to be at their best too. So you really doubt they can achieve level4 steps.
younger skaters like Hanyu, Amodio, Gachinsky have harder jumps, and spins, footwork even better then his.
Amodio is a few months older and Chan and indeed not at the same level (assuming both skate cleanly). He was, in general, more of a late bloomer. It's worth noting, however, that Amodio lost a significant period of training time as a teen after being diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatter disease (source). Does that have any long-term effects? Even if not, missing nearly two years of training and competition is bound to affect a skater's progress.Chan is only 21 and skaters like Armodio and Gachinsky are not even in Patricks league right now. All you have to do is look at results from the last couple years. As for Plushenko he could only wish he had the skills of Chan. Yes Plush has the jumps but not much in between.
Amodio just got a level 4 for his SP steps at The Masters this weekend, and French events don't tend to be that overscored. OTOH, Joubert and Besseghier also got level 4s, so make of that what you will. In general, I think it's not as hard as it used to be to get one, so some skaters may surprise us yet. But since the ISU has decreased the importance of step sequences in recent years, I'm not sure it's as important to have great ones across the board; consistent levels 3s and good GOEs are enough to make most skaters competitive.Amodio - yes. Hanyu and Gachinsky? Probably not. Hanyu in particular seems to struggle with the footwork section of his programs, and his asthma means he often has stamina issues (these things can lead to messy edges, which generally drop a level four to a three). But can they score level four with mostly +2s and +3s? Again, you said that they have jumps, spins, footwork even better than his. I'd like to see a demonstration where that comes from.To be fair, those guys have to be at their best too. So you really doubt they can achieve level4 steps.
Didn't that coach that he just let go help his jumps?
This is not a wake-up call for Patrick or anyone else. It is just another invitation for us to line up at the CoP Kool-aid fountain.
Fall on a 3T = 7.30 points
Fall on a 4T "+ sequence" (there was no sequence; this is CoP-speak. Television announcers are not doing their job in educating the public about the rule, "when is a non-sequence scored as a sequence?" ) = 5.24
Fall on a triple Axel = 6.35
Fall on a triple Lutz "+ sequence" (lol) = 3.18
After fall deductions, that's 18.07 points.
There should be a mercy rule, three falls and they stop the program. (Alissa could have benefitted from this rule at Worlds.)
The only thing Patrick will "wake up" to is the fact that one judge felt, overall. that his skating skills deserved a 9.00, his transitions between falls a 9.00, and that he "executed" his program to the tune of 9.50.
No wonder Patrick can say in the last sentence of the interview that there is "no risk" in trying a quad flip at Canadian nationals. Indeed, there is not.
I know, I know. It is hard to rotate four times in the air and then fall down. Just like the trapeze guy who attempted a quadruple somersault. He had a beautiful release, a position in the air to die for -- too bad about that missed catch.
Buttercup, I'm gonna have to start saving our PMs to my hard drive, as I clearly don't delete them quickly enough!
Krall was definitely more of a technical coach. In fact, Don Laws left him during the Olympic season because Chan was spending a lot of time in Colorado with Dartfish. Now, whether or not you think she was solely responsible for his jumps is up to you. During the 2011 Worlds, it was mentioned that Kathy Johnson helped him with movement and those improvements helped him in the jumps, for example. It's also worth mentioning that Eddie Shipstad (the pole/harness dude) is still working with him, and his training base is still Colorado Springs.
Though I do wish Krall had a bigger role than what Chan envisioned, I can only see how it'll play out before making judgements. And even then, who knows?
that was a seriously good program. If he near clean with that it will bring down the house.
I don't think people are cheering anyone's failure, just that the judging didn't ignore the falls.
I don't see where this "sour mood" came from?
Let's see where Patrick is now according to Japan Open results:...