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skatefan12

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Even after he pulled the exact same stunt last year at Skate America, and at Nationals?

He got everything squared away that was standing in the way last year (contract, competing sponsors, etc.) and committed to a GP and Nationals, attended champs camp, and has apparently done everything the USFSA has asked of him. Why do all that if your intent is never to follow through. He pulled out of Sun Valley and didn't perform at Champs Camp because of a groin injury, when he was skating by all accounts really well before that so yes, I think he intended to do it and still intends to, he is just nursing an injury.

As per my previous post, this GP really only means exposure pre-nationals for him. there is no chance of a GP final so if he can accomplish that with a smaller comp later once healed, then why not? There is no point in skating injured here and risking Nationals in January.
 

Butterscotch17

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I had a feeling something like this would happen, can't say I'm surprised by the news, just maybe slightly disappointed. The disappointment won't last long, though, because I can't wait to see Armin skate :) But really, it makes me wonder if Evan is ever going to come back. He's pulled out of SA twice now. He keeps announcing he's coming back, and then not showing. People doubted Johnny's comeback, but Johnny is out there competing, and Evan is not. Best of luck to Evan, but next time he says he's going come back, I won't believe it until he's out on the competition ice.
 

skatefan12

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no last year it was because of USFSA and Evan couldn't agree to a "contract". ;)

I attempted to explain using this thing called logic, but I have a feeling that unless brightphoton gets Evan's medical records confirming the injury, or god forbid confirm the injury himself (or herself) (s)he'll continue to think its a lie to not follow through with his comeback under the deceptive guise of injury :rolleye:
 

brightphoton

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What happened this year was the same thing that happened last year. Evan got too fat and didn't want to lose face at competition. He just has a different excuse this time.
 

skatefan12

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What happened this year was the same thing that happened last year. Evan got too fat and didn't want to lose face at competition. He just has a different excuse this time.

Right....because when that happens, you jump on a plane and announce your comeback to millions of people on live TV during the Summer Olympics. It all makes sense now. Evil genius, he is :rolleye:
 

brightphoton

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It a very good plan, if you can pull it off correctly. Shawn Johnson rolled in millions in endorsements, her book deal, commercials for TV shows, and Dancing with the Stars, all while announcing her comeback for the 2012 Olympics, despite doing very minimal gymnastics between Beijing and London.

Evan on the other hand ...
 

pangtongfan

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Right....because when that happens, you jump on a plane and announce your comeback to millions of people on live TV during the Summer Olympics. It all makes sense now. Evil genius, he is :rolleye:

Actually that is basically what Shawn Johnson and Nastia Liukin spent 4 years doing and pulled off masterfully, scamming tons of money in the result. Well Shawn did return to do 3 events at one Nationals and a couple tiny events, abandoning her comeback before the obvious of missing the Olympic team. Nastia meanwhile returned to deliver a couple crummy bar routines and to retire again. Essentialy all Evan is doing with his fake comeback (except probably without even the token appearances of Shawn and Nastia), except now nearly as wisely and not raking in nearly the money from it they did, in fact in his case losing it more likely.
 

skatefan12

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It a very good plan, if you can pull it off correctly. Shawn Johnson rolled in millions in endorsements, her book deal, commercials for TV shows, and Dancing with the Stars, all while announcing her comeback for the 2012 Olympics, despite doing very minimal gymnastics between Beijing and London.

Evan on the other hand ...

Touche

I still think this years Nationals is the key. If he doesn't make these, stick a fork in him, he's done. But SkAm means so little in the grand scheme of Sochi that I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. You (and others) do not, and thus think he will never set foot on competition ice again. Until we see at Nationals, this really is a neverending circular argument
 

brightphoton

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Not really, because after he's a no-show at 2013 Nationals, he'll tell us he's going to comeback for realsies in 2014 and you'll probably fall for it again. Don't take it the wrong way - I like eternal optimists.
 

skatefan12

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Not really, because after he's a no-show at 2013 Nationals, he'll tell us he's going to comeback for realsies in 2014 and you'll probably fall for it again. Don't take it the wrong way - I like eternal optimists.

No offense, but you dont know me well enough to call me an eternal optimist. I really dont think that he can make Sochi if he skips this years Nationals (and subsequent Worlds). SkAm 2012 means NOTHING for Sochi 2014 so lets not use it as the absolute marker for the likelihood of his comeback.
 

MoonlightSkater

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Actually that is basically what Shawn Johnson and Nastia Liukin spent 4 years doing and pulled off masterfully, scamming tons of money in the result. Well Shawn did return to do 3 events at one Nationals and a couple tiny events, abandoning her comeback before the obvious of missing the Olympic team. Nastia meanwhile returned to deliver a couple crummy bar routines and to retire again. Essentialy all Evan is doing with his fake comeback (except probably without even the token appearances of Shawn and Nastia), except now nearly as wisely and not raking in nearly the money from it they did, in fact in his case losing it more likely.

Wow, you guys must think that doing things like turning over twice in the air while twisting or launching your body four feet over a bar and catching it again are easy. Obviously they must be easy, if people can apparently do them without training and conditioning. Becoming an alternate to the World team (Shawn in 2011) is obviously something that you can just do while slacking off with one hand behind your back. And getting your beam routine back to elite levels and scoring among the top tier at nationals (both gymnasts) is obviously cake as well. Regaining every skill that was in your Olympic bar routine? Totally a walk in the park. Trying to compete the routine after a shoulder injury limits your ability to run full routines and develop muscular endurance (not the same as cardiovascular), even when competing could cause you to re-injure that shoulder? Totally sounds like the best route to fame and fortune. That's why everyone does it......... working out five to eight hours a day is the easiest way to make a buck, don't you know.

Same with Evan. There have been numerous reports of him slacking off by training quads last spring. But, of course, he wouldn't need to actually be in training to do something like that without hurting himself. Because skaters totally never lose their jumps when they stop training... just look at Sarah Hughes. Yep. No training and you can just keep all your skills to pull out of your *** just to make a buck.
 

pangtongfan

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Wow, you guys must think that doing things like turning over twice in the air while twisting or launching your body four feet over a bar and catching it again are easy. Obviously they must be easy, if people can apparently do them without training and conditioning.

Except Nastia couldnt do it so your point is moot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1JcXEim40g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPoSwVjM-m4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbEap4ms_BY&feature=relmfu

Like I said, just a token appearance to do a few crummy bar routines, wave goodbye, and keep the illusion of the "comeback" that earned her so much money to the very end, and seem half legit by making a token appearance at long last, LOL!
 
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Victura

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Wow, you guys must think that doing things like turning over twice in the air while twisting or launching your body four feet over a bar and catching it again are easy. Obviously they must be easy, if people can apparently do them without training and conditioning. Becoming an alternate to the World team (Shawn in 2011) is obviously something that you can just do while slacking off with one hand behind your back. And getting your beam routine back to elite levels and scoring among the top tier at nationals (both gymnasts) is obviously cake as well. Regaining every skill that was in your Olympic bar routine? Totally a walk in the park. Trying to compete the routine after a shoulder injury limits your ability to run full routines and develop muscular endurance (not the same as cardiovascular), even when competing could cause you to re-injure that shoulder? Totally sounds like the best route to fame and fortune. That's why everyone does it......... working out five to eight hours a day is the easiest way to make a buck, don't you know.

Same with Evan. There have been numerous reports of him slacking off by training quads last spring. But, of course, he wouldn't need to actually be in training to do something like that without hurting himself. Because skaters totally never lose their jumps when they stop training... just look at Sarah Hughes. Yep. No training and you can just keep all your skills to pull out of your *** just to make a buck.

Absolutely agreed. Thank you for saying that. I'm sure there are monetary rewards to announcing a comeback, but in most athletes' cases, I do think it stems from a genuine love of the sport and wanting the Olympic experience again. Honestly, there's no reason to put yourself through that kind of training, lifestyle, and pain again if one didn't truly love it.

Shawn made an absolutely respectable comeback...she went to the Pan American games in 2011 (and was alternate to the world team), helped the team get gold, and even got an individual bars silver. If she didn't have her knee injury to contend with, I think she had an outside chance at a spot, maybe as a specialist. As for Nastia...well, she started her comeback too late and in general just went about it the wrong way, even though I loved her gymnastics.

As for Evan, I think he's serious about his comeback and I do think we'll see him at least in a small competition...and I'm not a fan.
 

iluvtodd

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While I certainly wish Evan a complete recovery from his groin injury, I am thrilled that Armin finally gets a GP assignment this season.
 

russell30

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Shame for Evan, Hope he has a speedy recovery, Evan is serious about the comeback, its all of the strenuous training to get back to top form to compete with the top guys, when your body has had a lenient spell it is hard for your body to react to rigorous training. The sport has changed so much, we all forget how demanding it is on the body now!! The guys are now thinking of 2 quads in their free program?
 

Bluebonnet

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Aug 18, 2010
Comeback to competitive skating is not easy. Remember Emanuel Sandhu? Injuries are very likely in the suddenly increased intensive training. I do not question that Lysacek is injured. But I'm just not sure whether or not he'll ever really come back. Making comeback announcement over and over again itself has becoming embarrassing, I'd say.
 
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