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    Not really, because after he's a no-show at 2013 Nationals, he'll tell us he's going to comeback for realsies in 2014 and you'll probably fall for it again. Don't take it the wrong way - I like eternal optimists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightphoton View Post
    Not really, because after he's a no-show at 2013 Nationals, he'll tell us he's going to comeback for realsies in 2014 and you'll probably fall for it again. Don't take it the wrong way - I like eternal optimists.
    No offense, but you dont know me well enough to call me an eternal optimist. I really dont think that he can make Sochi if he skips this years Nationals (and subsequent Worlds). SkAm 2012 means NOTHING for Sochi 2014 so lets not use it as the absolute marker for the likelihood of his comeback.

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    If you say so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Actually that is basically what Shawn Johnson and Nastia Liukin spent 4 years doing and pulled off masterfully, scamming tons of money in the result. Well Shawn did return to do 3 events at one Nationals and a couple tiny events, abandoning her comeback before the obvious of missing the Olympic team. Nastia meanwhile returned to deliver a couple crummy bar routines and to retire again. Essentialy all Evan is doing with his fake comeback (except probably without even the token appearances of Shawn and Nastia), except now nearly as wisely and not raking in nearly the money from it they did, in fact in his case losing it more likely.
    Wow, you guys must think that doing things like turning over twice in the air while twisting or launching your body four feet over a bar and catching it again are easy. Obviously they must be easy, if people can apparently do them without training and conditioning. Becoming an alternate to the World team (Shawn in 2011) is obviously something that you can just do while slacking off with one hand behind your back. And getting your beam routine back to elite levels and scoring among the top tier at nationals (both gymnasts) is obviously cake as well. Regaining every skill that was in your Olympic bar routine? Totally a walk in the park. Trying to compete the routine after a shoulder injury limits your ability to run full routines and develop muscular endurance (not the same as cardiovascular), even when competing could cause you to re-injure that shoulder? Totally sounds like the best route to fame and fortune. That's why everyone does it......... working out five to eight hours a day is the easiest way to make a buck, don't you know.

    Same with Evan. There have been numerous reports of him slacking off by training quads last spring. But, of course, he wouldn't need to actually be in training to do something like that without hurting himself. Because skaters totally never lose their jumps when they stop training... just look at Sarah Hughes. Yep. No training and you can just keep all your skills to pull out of your *** just to make a buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonlightSkater View Post
    Wow, you guys must think that doing things like turning over twice in the air while twisting or launching your body four feet over a bar and catching it again are easy. Obviously they must be easy, if people can apparently do them without training and conditioning.
    Except Nastia couldnt do it so your point is moot:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1JcX...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPoSwVjM-m4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbEap...feature=relmfu

    Like I said, just a token appearance to do a few crummy bar routines, wave goodbye, and keep the illusion of the "comeback" that earned her so much money to the very end, and seem half legit by making a token appearance at long last, LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I have visions of YouTube videos of Skate America with just music playing and no one on the ice.
    You never lose your humor though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonlightSkater View Post
    Wow, you guys must think that doing things like turning over twice in the air while twisting or launching your body four feet over a bar and catching it again are easy. Obviously they must be easy, if people can apparently do them without training and conditioning. Becoming an alternate to the World team (Shawn in 2011) is obviously something that you can just do while slacking off with one hand behind your back. And getting your beam routine back to elite levels and scoring among the top tier at nationals (both gymnasts) is obviously cake as well. Regaining every skill that was in your Olympic bar routine? Totally a walk in the park. Trying to compete the routine after a shoulder injury limits your ability to run full routines and develop muscular endurance (not the same as cardiovascular), even when competing could cause you to re-injure that shoulder? Totally sounds like the best route to fame and fortune. That's why everyone does it......... working out five to eight hours a day is the easiest way to make a buck, don't you know.

    Same with Evan. There have been numerous reports of him slacking off by training quads last spring. But, of course, he wouldn't need to actually be in training to do something like that without hurting himself. Because skaters totally never lose their jumps when they stop training... just look at Sarah Hughes. Yep. No training and you can just keep all your skills to pull out of your *** just to make a buck.
    Absolutely agreed. Thank you for saying that. I'm sure there are monetary rewards to announcing a comeback, but in most athletes' cases, I do think it stems from a genuine love of the sport and wanting the Olympic experience again. Honestly, there's no reason to put yourself through that kind of training, lifestyle, and pain again if one didn't truly love it.

    Shawn made an absolutely respectable comeback...she went to the Pan American games in 2011 (and was alternate to the world team), helped the team get gold, and even got an individual bars silver. If she didn't have her knee injury to contend with, I think she had an outside chance at a spot, maybe as a specialist. As for Nastia...well, she started her comeback too late and in general just went about it the wrong way, even though I loved her gymnastics.

    As for Evan, I think he's serious about his comeback and I do think we'll see him at least in a small competition...and I'm not a fan.

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    While I certainly wish Evan a complete recovery from his groin injury, I am thrilled that Armin finally gets a GP assignment this season.

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    Shame for Evan, Hope he has a speedy recovery, Evan is serious about the comeback, its all of the strenuous training to get back to top form to compete with the top guys, when your body has had a lenient spell it is hard for your body to react to rigorous training. The sport has changed so much, we all forget how demanding it is on the body now!! The guys are now thinking of 2 quads in their free program?

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    Comeback to competitive skating is not easy. Remember Emanuel Sandhu? Injuries are very likely in the suddenly increased intensive training. I do not question that Lysacek is injured. But I'm just not sure whether or not he'll ever really come back. Making comeback announcement over and over again itself has becoming embarrassing, I'd say.

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    I'm sure Evan is injured. The question is for me: Why Armin? I think Joshua would be better!

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    With all these comebacks falling short, I wonder if Yuna Kim is going to face an "injury" too. At any rate, this season of skaters even without the comebacks is worth watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Except Nastia couldnt do it so your point is moot:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1JcX...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPoSwVjM-m4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbEap...feature=relmfu

    Like I said, just a token appearance to do a few crummy bar routines, wave goodbye, and keep the illusion of the "comeback" that earned her so much money to the very end, and seem half legit by making a token appearance at long last, LOL!
    She did every single skill from that Olympic bar routine. Note that she missed different skills in different routines, but did them all at some point. She had to have been training to do that as all of those skills take tremendous strength and conditioning to do. What she didn't have was the muscular endurance which can only be gained from doing actual routines back to back, and she wasn't able to do that much because she injured her shoulder in January. I don't think you realize just how incredibly hard those skills are. The release she fell on the final night of trials? That thing was so huge that I am inclined to believe that she overcooked it due to the adrenaline of one final chance to make it. There is no way you can launch yourself that high without training. I do think she should have considered a different dismount as it wasn't the prettiest thing even when she was at her peak, but she kept the one she had because it is highly valued as very difficult- so difficult that most gymnasts wouldn't even try it. If she actually hadn't been training and just made a "pretend" comeback, she wouldn't have been able to do half of that, and her beam routine would've been a mess. As it was, her beam routine was actually harder than the one she did in Beijing. She had more time to train it because it put less stress on her shoulder. Additionally, I doubt someone who was making a comeback for publicity only would dare to show up in competition not feeling 100% due to injury or whatever reason. I gained a ton of respect for her trying, and quite frankly think she could have made it with just a few more weeks of training uninjured. Her beam scores were better than Kyla's, and her bars scores had the potential to be there if she could just put it all together. I'd like to see you try to do any skill in her routine without training.

    I get so tired of jaded naysayers who have no concept of what it takes to train and compete at a high level in these sports.

    Edit~ I find it very interesting that you chose to link parts of routines to highlight her mistakes and not the full routines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonlightSkater View Post
    She did every single skill from that Olympic bar routine.
    Yes that is her dismount she did when she was winning all those World and Olympic medalis, and as for the rest most of them with a major mistakes. Given that she could probably do a bar routine of the quality of those when she was 9, and that a 5 year old could do the dismount she did, I doubt the 14 time Olympic and World medalist had to train much to produce that BS.

    Edit~ I find it very interesting that you chose to link parts of routines to highlight her mistakes and not the full routines.
    LOL you need your eyes checked. 2 of the 3 links I posted were full routines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Yes that is her dismount she did when she was winning all those World and Olympic medalis, and as for the rest most of them with a major mistakes. Given that she could probably do a bar routine of the quality of those when she was 9, and that a 5 year old could do the dismount she did, I doubt the 14 time Olympic and World medalist had to train much to produce that BS.



    LOL you need your eyes checked. 2 of the 3 links I posted were full routines.
    If you think a five year old could do the dismount she did..... Oh, wait, you were referring to the timer and not the actual dismount she did the final night. Even then a five year old is very unlikely to be able to do that! That's a skill that level seven and eight gymnasts learn. Most five year olds are at levels one through five- they aren't even allowed to start competing those higher levels until they're older. Though I'm sure you're trying for hyperbole and not a realistic comparison. As for the double front-half, I'm glad she pulled it if she was uncertain, as it requires more height than most, if not all, other dismounts to avoid landing very badly. Nine year olds don't generally go about copying bar routines that medalled at the previous Olympics......

    I might not think she handled the comeback perfectly, but it's hard to plan ahead of time that you'll have to deal with a chronic injury. Hindsight is 20/20. Knowing what she knows now, I'm pretty sure that she would've come back a bit sooner, been very careful about starting those spinning skills on bars without doing a ton of extra conditioning (hyper extension of the shoulder is the probable cause of her injury), and probably trained another dismount. By the time you encounter problems it's usually a little late to change course. As for the decision to come back, it can be very hard to make if you've already checked 90% of your goals off, so I can see why she delayed in committing, even though it was certainly her largest mistake in her comeback.

    And I'm done with this conversation. If you want to go on believing what each of these athletes is doing is easy, you go and do that. Just don't try to do what they're doing without training all day every day for a long time because you wouldn't like living in a body cast.

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