10-18-2012, 09:10 AM
Well I do see potential in Mao but counting against her is that she has had two full seasons to correct her jumping issues AND OR get the triple axel. This is not a puberty issue at this point. i appreciate she had to deal with her mom's death, sadly many of us have to deal with such tragedies, I know she has tonnes of fans who adore her but if we step away we can see the potential; however, one has to wonder - has she really made any strives over the last few years. ARtistically - probably not. Spins - same. Jumps no real huge improvement. Even outfits not huge strives there either - but relatively little impact too I am sure some or many will disagree. Don't get me wrong I like Mao a lot but I am just trying to be objective. Still I do believe for some reason she could pull off Oly gold - just not as strong of a ping as before.
10-18-2012, 11:28 AM
I think you're right in some ways, Skater Boy. Mao has not improved as much as I'd hoped. When she announced post-Olympics that she was switching coaches and reworking her technique, I was really hoped it would lead to a better, stronger Mao. However, it hasn't happened. Her jumps are about the same, or worse. I'm glad she's now trying and landing triple Salchow; however, she's mostly lost the triple Axel. So technically things are not improved.
Originally Posted by Skater Boy
However, I do feel Mao has grown artistically. Last season especially, I really saw a change. I thought she improved a lot in terms of connecting to the audience, not previously a strength of hers. I felt like she looked at the audience more, projected more to the crowd, and expressed herself more freely. Also, I felt Liebestraum was a beautiful program that really highlighted the grace and lightness of her skating. So, I do think artistic growth has occurred.
10-18-2012, 01:45 PM
Tripping on the Podium
Originally Posted by eyria
I for one, think that considering how she has made such huge changes by changing her jump technique, changing coaches, changing the way she trains, focusing on putting back 2a-3t, 3s, 3lutz, practicing the 3-3 again after so long... it's really very big changes she had to go through during a very little time, i think considering how much she has changed and how long changing or just regaining a certain jump takes, it's really amazing how many changes she has had so far during so little time. ofcourse the difficulty can be discussed, but her layout now looks nothing like the layout she had two years ago, and that alone says alot about her changes. and I also don't agree when it comes to spins her spins have changed quite a bit looking at what she did just two years ago too. I sometimes still find it incredible when i think that the skater from Bells of moscow and Liebestraum is one and the same. cause the style, jumps, spins, spirals, steps everything is soooo different.
I also sometimes notice that people sometimes forget how many changes she has had at the same time, i myself forget that at times, but that is because I have such high expectation of her, and it sometimes just suddenly strikes me, how much i myself expect of her, when knowing how many difficult changes she had to go through during the same time she lost her mother. no wonder she was exhausted and soo skinny when she showed up at worlds.
as a side note- i think Mao now looks a lot healthier now, she now looks the same as in 2008 and that's really nice to see.
10-19-2012, 01:29 AM
Originally Posted by Skater Boy
Do you mention the same Mao who kept falling all over the ice in the 2010-2011 season and about whose speed of skating, spirals and spins even some of her fans complained when she was with TAT, when she was actually training alone most of her time in Japan far away from her coach.
I think I must go and look up the English word "objective" in the dictionary once again now.....
10-19-2012, 06:42 AM
Bona Fide Member
Hmmm where are Mao's die hards in this thread. I still feel she could medal or take gold in Sochi. I don't think Miki will be back, ever. Losing this season will be too cosly. Akiko is fab but can she hold up and not injure at her age? Carolina if even really fit melts at Olympics. Kanako could surprise. I am assuming Ladies team going to Sochi might be Mao, Akiko, Kanako (or Haruka Imai?) Is that how our Japanese fans guess the Oly team?
Yuna Kim, Ashley Wagner will be strong and who knows about Leonova/Sotnikova/Tukt/fill in /////Russian name. So Mao has stiff comp at home and world. I still feel she brings beauty and elegance. Ladies will maybe be not totally decided as in 2010.
It will be incredible if we have a repeat yuna/mao battle. Not likely, but possible.
10-20-2012, 02:03 PM