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What are Mao Asada's chances of becoming Olympic Champion in 2014?

mary01

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Please cite an example of Yu-Na's having gotten such disproportionate PCS where she made so many errors that she received a lowly ranked TES score and yet managed to receive high PCS. Here's a hint though: you won't be able to find it, because it's Mao who has gotten what you term "too much difference" PCS with subpar performances multiple times.

Wow, your accusations and insinuations are getting uglier! What does Yu-Na's personal wealth have to do with anything? I am "almost sure" that Mao Asada has plenty of personal wealth PLUS a powerful federation. Who cares? :unsure:

I repeat, can you provide some examples--facts--to back up your assertions? If not, then stop repeating your insinuations. :cool:

I don't know what you would call lowly ranked TES score, but yunas PCS score has always remained sky high even when looking back at her meltdowns like 2010 worlds fs where she won the fs, over a skater who gave a clean skate with only an underrotated axel.
The thing that bothers me with Kims high PCS score is that she gets it even when she makes big mistakes like 2009 Worlds, 2008 GPF. 2009 worlds in particular where she received a record breaking score, with a popped jump, and it's not small mistakes we are taking about it's falls or popped jumps, it's not a one or two time accation either, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, because most of her performances consists of those kind of mistakes! if she was clean (and when i say clean i mean atleast clean to the eye with no distracting mistakes) i personally would have given her those high PCS and GOE myself, but she wasn't, and that's the scary thing about it.


just a reminder Mao only recently began to get the PCS score that she deserves she always had to rely on her high technical content to win the competitions which isn't exactly the case with Kim, not only her PCS but her Goe has always been very high, even through she rarely was clean.

(Im in no position to say who what deserves, I just want to point certain things out and let people judge for themselves)

and as a side note, I do like kim as a skater, i just hate injustice, that is caused by the judges obvious favorism.
 
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Barb

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It isn't fair to blame the skater. I don't like the scoring system but the judges have to score on what they see. One example, I think it was 2010 Worlds, was Yuna doing a 2A that, IIRC, outscored one of Mao's fully rotated 3A. You're talking about a jump that 6 women have landed vs one that thousands of women have. Do I have a problem with that? Yes, but it isn't Yuna's fault or the judges' faults. I personally think the code should better reward successful risk taking and punish errors more severely. Often, PCS isn't affected by errors (nor should it be) so losing 3 or 4 points for a fall isn't enough when people are winning events by 20 or 30 points.

No, is not Yuna´s fault, I suppose that are the circunstances.
 

pangtongfan

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Typical of a Mao thread to turn into Yu Na bashing from bitter Mao fanatics. Jealous is as jealous does. Yu Na is not responsible for Mao's obsession with the triple axel, her poor coaching choices, and her massive inconsistencies and decline since 2008, heck even since 2007 arguably. As for GOEs skaters with big and beautiful jumps with great flow out like Yu Na Kim and to a lesser extent Miki Ando will typically get much higher GOE than skaters with itty bitty jumps who flutz like Mao Asada. Not exactly rocket science. The judges are right to not ignore the difference in quality in jumps.

The funniest thing of all with the apparent complaints about Yu Na's scores is Yu Na has NEVER had a controversial win over Asada. Not even one. Meanwhile many felt Yu Na Kim should have won the 2008 Worlds and not Mao Asada, including Sonia Bianchetti in her blog. The only controversial result between the two went in Asada's favor. In fact so called judges favorite Yu Na Kim has never won a close decision in a big event, narrowly losing both the 2008 and 2011 Worlds, and blowing the field away at both the 2009 Worlds and 2010 Olympics. So much for that theory. Yu Na also was the one who suffered the embarassment of being ridiculously placed below a terrible 5 mistake Kostner at the 2008 Worlds, not Mao. In the event Kim were an American, Russian, or even Japanese she probably wins both those close events as well given the greater power of those federations, but you dont see her fans whining.
 
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I don't know what you would call lowly ranked TES score, but yunas PCS score has always remained sky high even when looking back at her meltdowns like 2010 worlds fs where she won the fs, over a skater who gave a clean skate with only an underrotated axel.
The thing that bothers me with Kims high PCS score is that she gets it even when she makes big mistakes like 2009 Worlds, 2008 GPF. 2009 worlds in particular where she received a record breaking score, with a popped jump, and it's not small mistakes we are taking about it's falls or popped jumps, it's not a one or two time accation either, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, because most of her performances consists of those kind of mistakes! if she was clean (and when i say clean i mean atleast clean to the eye with no distracting mistakes) i personally would have given her those high PCS and GOE myself, but she wasn't, and that's the scary thing about it.
At 2009 Worlds, Yuna didn't break WR in FS which had one error, doubled salchow, not a popped jump. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME? When else?
PCS goes up when skaters have clean performances but not necessarily vice-versa like you can and would see in all disciplines. I'd suggest that you study your CoP more thoroughly. Plus, You of all people would and should know since it's Mao who's been consistently receiving high PCS mark compared to her way low TES mark throughout her career and that's the scary thing about your self-contadicting arguments all over this thread.

just a reminder Mao only recently began to get the PCS score that she deserves she always had to rely on her high technical content to win the competitions which isn't exactly the case with Kim, not only her PCS but her Goe has always been very high, even through she rarely was clean.
Then just list the competitions/protocols to back up your statements, please.
Yuna's GOE has always been high because she can actually jump, execute elements exactly. AND she does it extremely well. Nobody would question this quality of Yuna's. Moreover, do not forget that Mao gets high GOEs on her non-jump elements, too.
But, if Mao was to deserve the same amount of GOE in jumps as Yuna's why would she be reworking her technique all these years? Why are people in this thread are consistently claiming that she needs to improve her technique to become as near as to be the contender for Sochi?

(Im in no position to say who what deserves, I just want to point certain things out and let people judge for themselves)
I also just wanted to point certain things out and let people judge for themselves.

and as a side note, I do like kim as a skater, i just hate injustice, that is caused by the judges obvious favorism.
Then, why do you think judges like her? Are you also going with chapis's "theory"? And has it ever occurred that Yuna's always gotten "high" PCS because she actually possesses phenomenal presentation skills and skating skills and because judges are the judges of them even with political mess around them?
 

chloepoco

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Typical of a Mao thread to turn into Yu Na bashing from bitter Mao fanatics. Jealous is as jealous does. Yu Na is not responsible for Mao's obsession with the triple axel, her poor coaching choices, and her massive inconsistencies and decline since 2008, heck even since 2007 arguably. As for GOEs skaters with big and beautiful jumps with great flow out like Yu Na Kim and to a lesser extent Miki Ando will typically get much higher GOE than skaters with itty bitty jumps who flutz like Mao Asada. Not exactly rocket science. The judges are right to not ignore the difference in quality in jumps.

The funniest thing of all with the apparent complaints about Yu Na's scores is Yu Na has NEVER had a controversial win over Asada. Not even one. Meanwhile many felt Yu Na Kim should have won the 2008 Worlds and not Mao Asada, including Sonia Bianchetti in her blog. The only controversial result between the two went in Asada's favor. In fact so called judges favorite Yu Na Kim has never won a close decision in a big event, narrowly losing both the 2008 and 2011 Worlds, and blowing the field away at both the 2009 Worlds and 2010 Olympics. So much for that theory. Yu Na also was the one who suffered the embarassment of being ridiculously placed below a terrible 5 mistake Kostner at the 2008 Worlds, not Mao. In the event Kim were an American, Russian, or even Japanese she probably wins both those close events as well given the greater power of those federations, but you dont see her fans whining.

Actually, it seems there is just as much Mao-bashing in this thread from Yuna fans.

I think this thread should be closed before it gets uglier.
 

miki88

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In the event Kim were an American, Russian, or even Japanese she probably wins both those close events as well given the greater power of those federations, but you dont see her fans whining.

Are you serious with this statement? I remember clearly there were threads where her supporters were debating and arguing in her favor after those two events. And in case of 2008 Worlds, there were threads about it even 2 years after the event lol. Well, at least fans of each skater are consistent in their views. Your views, on the other hand, change frequently. One moment you are fervently for one skater and as soon as skater isn't doing well, you go against them with the same intensity. Although I do admit it's somewhat amusing to watch.
 

pangtongfan

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everyone the top skaters recieve inflate pcs but in Yuna´s case and Patrick is almost ridiculous:disapp:, simply too much difference, and stop saying that poor Yuna is alone against the world because her federation, come on, I am almost sure that Yuna had got more money for isu than all federations together, is like she is her own federation, money speak.

Yes since Yu Na can fall 6 times and win every event like Chan can. Cute try though.
 

pangtongfan

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One moment you are fervently for one skater and as soon as skater isn't doing well, you go against them with the same intensity. Although I do admit it's somewhat amusing to watch.

When one has no arguments baseless points and lies based on no reality whatsoever are the way to go, well for people like you apparently that is the case. Name me one example of when I did what you claim and which skater was involved, otherwise go back under your rock. Given your username I take it you just cant stand my not being a fan of your beloved "Miki" Ando, oh well cry me a river, atleast I am completely consistent on my views on her just as I am on each other skater.
 

Tonichelle

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Come on, folks, let's remember to keep our posts to a topic, not a poster. Let's keep it friendly.
 

cooper

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everyone the top skaters recieve inflate pcs but in Yuna´s case and Patrick is almost ridiculous:disapp:, simply too much difference, and stop saying that poor Yuna is alone against the world because her federation, come on, I am almost sure that Yuna had got more money for isu than all federations together, is like she is her own federation, money speak.

the funniest accusation i've ever read in my life. i mean yuna has more money than the ENTIRE Japanese fed? HAHA! keep it up honey. :laugh:
 
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People, this tone dishonors both of these fine skaters. Does an angry post add a single point to the score of either skater? Does it add a single rotation to any jump? If yelling could give Mao back her triple axel or could ensure that YuNa's performance level be at its 1910 height, I'd say "Have at it." But all it does is induce distress in other posters.

One day in the future, we're going to yearn for the good old days of Mao and YuNa. So why not enjoy them both now? Please ramp it down. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
 

prettykeys

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I would just leave it at "Anything can happen, any of the top 5 contenders can win" and leave it at that. Mao is still a contender. She has never been out of the picture, even at times when she was struggling with a number of technical issues as well as personal issues in the past few years.

I can't believe it's almost 2014 because 2010 feels like it was just yesterday. That Winter Olympics left a crater in my soul that hasn't faded one bit. My favourite lay down two incredible performances and her amazing rival laid down an awesome SP with a few missteps in her LP. In the moment, however, I was trembling and almost couldn't bear to watch. After she finished and cried out--in relief? Disbelief? Elation?--I couldn't help but tear up a little, too. Whether your favourite wins an Olympics or not will not change how much you love them, but I know the intense feeling of wishing for it to happen. Only while watching replays could I truly breathe and enjoy her skates for what they were. I know others were devastated, and I do not fault them because I would have been, too, if the outcome had been different, not because I feel someone else would not have been as worthy, but just because we are all entitled to have our favourites and it's just human to feel that way.

There will be critics, critiques and criticisms along with the celebrations. Sasha Cohen remarked how much more difficult it was to keep track of CoP requirements while being expressive and performing to the max, as opposed to how things were under the 6.0 system. I would imagine it's something akin to being asked to perform a delicate surgery while running on a treadmill and also masterfully singing a complex song, and on top of that, tastes vary. This is why I love figure skating! While there will always be favourites, and a number of widely accepted "Greats", it's hard to love just one skater, or to pick out a single skater who can be considered "the best" at everything that matters in figure skating. It is a multi-dimensional sport. One of my coworkers says that's why he doesn't like judged sports, because they're not as objective as something like racing. And I say, well, it's what makes them even better. :biggrin:

I love YuNa Kim, I love Mao Asada, and I love Patrick Chan. Their faults are tiny compared to what they bring to the sport and to my enjoyment of it, and the better they skate, the better it is for me. So, I hope they continue to improve and to bring it. I've got tickets to Worlds this year ;) and I am planning on making more than one poster. ;)
 
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I love YuNa Kim, I love Mao Asada, and I love Patrick Chan. Their faults are tiny compared to what they bring to the sport and to my enjoyment of it, and the better they skate, the better it is for me. So, I hope they continue to improve and to bring it. I've got tickets to Worlds this year ;) and I am planning on making more than one poster. ;)

Actually, I love your whole post. But I especially enjoyed this last paragraph. I would just (no surprise) add Daisuke to your list in this paragraph. And I can't wait for your reports on Worlds. You lucky duck! Post often.
 

Layfan

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:thumbsup: Yes, their faults ARE miniscule compared to what they have brought to the sport. I don't know what the chances are that we'll see a Yuna-Mao rivalry in 2014 to match the splendid one of 2010. But I'm am glad they are still around and I soooooooo hope they do well. Especially Mao (only because she hasn't won Olympic Gold and it would be beautiful if she did) and because she kept going full steam ahead after the Olympics. When I watched her JO open performance it was liked she breathed some life into back into ladies figure skating for a bit - ah, HERE's the real deal. I don't just don't see anyone out there right now who is the gem that Mao is or has the capacity to be. Lots of potentials but no one has taken ownership of being a clear favorite yet. The young Russians are still finding their footing in seniors, the Americans are kind of stuck in "middle of the pack" "almost girls" mode for now. Not saying that can't change but we'll just have to see.
 

ForeverFish

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Returning this to the OP's question--no, I don't foresee Asada taking gold in Sochi, especially not with all of the new talents pouring into the international scene.

I also don't see Yuna making a repeat performance, though she may well land on the podium. Mainly because she's been away from competition for far too long, it's an unrealistic expectation, and she'll definitely feel some pressure to be the same nineteen-year-old starlet we saw in Vancouver. If she feels that she can't improve on that performance, it could be devastating.

My (very) early predictions for Sochi, assuming good health from all skaters:

Gold: Ashley, Julia L, Liza T, Akiko S
Silver: Gracie, Yuna, Mao, Adelina S, Kanako M
Bronze: Alissa, Alena L, Ksenia M, Elene G

Thirteen ladies, three crowns. Let the (Olympic) Games begin.
 

gmyers

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Her chances are better than ever. Her PCS is amazing. And if she can do three or four triples she will be unstoppable! She has loop and salchow and if she gets toe or flip it should be amazing.
 
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