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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Congrats guys! Hanyu and Kozuka were superb! Chan will be in trouble...
    Chan will be in trouble if he continues falling, and Hanyu, Dai and Kozuka continue performing as well as they have at the start of this season. But Chan will I think still get love from the judges for his SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art&Sport View Post
    Quads are risky because they are difficult physically and mentally. They require a great deal of endurance and mental energy. The quad is not the actual name of a jump, it is only an extra revolution, so yes, the toe jump is the easiest jump in terms of difficulty, then flip, loop, lutz and axel. I doubt we will ever see a quad axel performed, and we'll certainly never see quintuple jumps -- physically impossible, IMO. I know that was likely said once about the 4-minute mile too.
    Plushenko said, quad axel is possible, but quintuple jumps are impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art&Sport View Post
    Chan will be in trouble if he continues falling, and Hanyu, Dai and Kozuka continue performing as well as they have at the start of this season. But Chan will I think still get love from the judges for his SS.
    OK. But if Hanyu, Kozuka, Dai will flawless, and Chan will fall and however will win, will be a great scandal.

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    Well, I'm glad that quintuple jumps are impossible. They should really try to work within the range of all the jumps and jump revolutions that exist and create intricate moves and daring choreo. They have aplenty to work with. Concentrate on perfecting consistency, technique, endurance and artistry.

    Are there any more vids up yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    OK. But if Hanyu, Kozuka, Dai will flawless, and Chan will fall and however will win, will be a great scandal.
    Absolutely. That is exactly what I said earlier in this thread. ISU will not want to risk anymore audiences booing should the judges reward Chan with top of podium with falls, while Dai and others skate cleaner programs.

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    MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT

    1. Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) - 95.07 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    2. Takahiko KOZUKA (JPN) - 85.32 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    3. Jeremy ABBOTT (USA) - 77.71 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    4. Tatsuki MACHIDA (JPN) - 75.78 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    5. Konstantin MENSHOV (RUS) - 73.32 Short Program
    6. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 69.26
    7. Armin MAHBANOOZADEH (USA) - 68.27
    8. Alexander MAJOROV (SWE) - 60.48
    9. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 58.79 Short Program
    10. Douglas RAZZANO (USA) - 57.06

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    Last edited by Mao88; 10-20-2012 at 03:12 AM.

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    Thanks Mao88. I still think Abbott deserved higher scores. Didn't he fully rotate the quad at the beginning of his program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    3. Jeremy ABBOTT (USA) - 77.71 Short Program
    What an artist!
    This performance is as great as his 2012 Nationals SP performance.

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    Hey everybody I just returned my hotel room after checking out the men's and pairs sp live tonight. Some thoughts.

    For me the three Japanese men really brought it tonight. Machida was charismatic and skated a solid program despite not having a quad. He did a beautiful triple axel right in front of my section. And he did a great job expressing himself to the music. I think he took some tips from the Daisuke playbook!

    I loved Taka's program. It had that quiet elegance perfect for his fluid performance. And I was so happy he hit all the elements especially after all the reports of bad practices. It was such a delight to see his soft knees in person. TV does not do that quality justice.

    And Hanyu. Let me tell you, it was amazing to see it live. From the warmup you could see it in his eyes he was ready to bring it. He had a really high quality program. He hit all the jumps perfectly with beautiful transitions and at amazing speed. He got a standing o when he was done.

    Do I think he was overscored? Maybe by a few points, but, he really presented a challenging program and I don't think he could have done it any better. I remember liking it when I saw the Finlandia video, but I loved it after seeing it live and seeing the intensity and energy Yuzuru put into the program.

    Brian Orser ended up in the table next to me at the hotel bar so we end up striking a conversation. He was not surprised at Yuzuru's performance. He talked about how both sp and fs are very challenging for Hanyu, and that he has been working with Hanyu to do more run thoughs. He said that when he first met with Hanyu, he learned that he did not skate as much daily as someone wanting to be top caliblier competition should. But he pointed out that Yuzuru has been a gentleman, respectful and willing to learn. I think we all saw the fruit of that tonight.

    He was surprised by the score. He said based on his performance tonight compared to Finlandia, he expected a score more in the high 80's.

    On a lighter note, the topic of the Pooh tissue box came up and he said, "When he was not my student I used to make fun of that. Now I have to hold it." He said this in a good natured way. We all laughed.

    Bad night for both the Czechs. I liked Verner's program, despite the mistakes, there were things to appreciate. Brenzia's program did not do much for me, especially since. He made those mistakes despite not having a lot of transitions. His PCS was way too high for what he actually did.

    Mensnov program was decent considering that I was expecting to be disappointed by a Piña clone. His 4T-3T combo was solid. Majorov was Ok - nothing really stood out.

    I enjoyed Jeremy's program, he did a good job performing it! But his tech was not there; I've definitely seen him do a 3A much better. And he's had issues getting spins levels in the past, so the low TES did not surprise me. Armin had a respectable performance. I think he was hurt by being in the first group and a last minute replacement -- he wasn't even in the event program! I think he should have been ahead of Brenzina.

    Anyway, it was a real treat to be there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Brian Orser ended up in the table next to me at the hotel bar so we end up striking a conversation.
    I am so envious! One of my heroes and he is doing a great job with Hanyu, as he did with Kim.

    Hope your having a really great time

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    I was also very fun Jeremy´s program. It's very musical skater and well choreography can perfectly sell.
    The Japanese I liked best Kozuka. Yuzuru did well that changed the style. The rock he sits.
    Menshov has a classic Russian poise and style of skating. All blond mens from Russia now will be compared with Plushenko He should change hairstyle But it has a chance.

    I feel sorry for Tomas He can do everything! A skate so beautifully! It floats on the ice! Why not sell the beautiful jumps in competitions!
    Michal Brezina made ​​progress in steps and spins. And somewhere lost jumping certainty Perhaps it again finds. And whether exchange costume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT
    Thanks for rounding them up! I've already written about Hanyu, so I'll skip him. As usual, this is with the caveat that it's not the same is seeing the performances live:

    2. Takahiko KOZUKA (JPN) - 85.32 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    Great skater, forgettable program. And that quad, in addition to looking bad, did not come out of steps. The judges need to start cracking down on this - guys, if you want an SP quad, do it in combo or do the steps. Fab spread eagle, does any active skater (bar Jonathan Cassar) do it better?

    3. Jeremy ABBOTT (USA) - 77.71 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    I am all for skaters challenging themselves artistically, but this looked like Jeremy was skating someone else's program. It's not him and he doesn't seem to be making it his own. Atrocious costume and styling.

    5. Konstantin MENSHOV (RUS) - 73.32
    Glad to see him skating well, but that is Robin and Aliona's music. Step away from the Pina soundtrack, please.

    9. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 58.79 Short Program
    Sad, in ever possible way. Where is the talented guy from 2007-9? Maybe he should go back to Huth; it worked for Carolina...

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    I agree that Hanyu was terribly overscored while Taka was underscored. The difference between them should be not more than 3-4 points maximum. I don't get why for practically the same executed combo Hanyu got higher GOE than Taka. Also, his spins, being on better level than Taka's, were done slower and less impressive. Their step-segs as if of different levels is just a joke. As for the second mark, how good that they both performed eagles. Says a lot who is who in edges and SS. Taka's SP was elegant, emotional and mature. While Hanyu looked like a teen kid who were left home alone, found daddy's booze and decided to experiment with his elder brother's guitar, until social service knocked the door. The pace they chose for Hanyu is hillarious, it makes him look ridiculous and pathetic. Also, such an unfair score can alienate people against Yuzu, which is not the fate I would want for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post

    Tomas Verner
    Sad, in ever possible way. Where is the talented guy from 2007-9? Maybe he should go back to Huth; it worked for Carolina...
    I do not think it helped Huth could not teach him concentrated jump. In addition, Tomas surrendered after the first failure.
    At least Emerson gives up. But stability of jumps him not learned.
    Maybe he needed russian drill and especially psychologists. To Misin, Tatiana ... anywhere for someone hard.

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    I think Hanyu did pretty well, his jumps were well executed and I found his programs to be more mature
    it really suited him and judges and audiences agreed

    its really nice to see a new face that we can hope to dominate in the coming years
    Yuzuru is a real talent, so there is no reason to deny it

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