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    How good is Hanyu?

    Hanyu's performance today in the Short Program at Skate America just took my breath away. His score of 95.07 was also an ISU world record for the Short Program. He was incredible. The movement, the flow, the speed across the ice, the jumps, the spins, the transitions, the musical interpretation, the artistry, the grace, the elegance, etc, etc - he has it all, and what he has in abundance is just sheer natural talent. So, how good is he? It was a great decision to appoint Brian Orser as his coach back in April, and in my opinion, he has (with Orser's help) overtaken Chan and Dai to become the best male singles skater in the world, and the favourite for the Olympic title. My only doubt is that asthma gives him a stamina problem, especially in the long program, and it sometimes limits his training to 2 hours a day, but it is to be hoped that that problem can be overcome over the next 18 months.
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    He's extremely GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD and yes, this strong performance at SA gave him the ticket to becoming the definite contender in Sochi Olympics! But I would reserve my opinion that "he's taken over Chan and Dai to become the best male singles skater in the world," since we've yet to see either Dai or Patrick's A game brought into competition in this season. I do think, however, that he's got much better chance at OGM than Dai does; he's much younger, jumps are much stable and in better quality, and there's two whole season to develop artistically to catch up with Dai's awesome presentation skills.

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    Hanyu is Amazing, He will achieve legendary status in his career like Plushenko and will be the one of the favorites to win in Sochi
    he is really special, after Zhenya no one ever captured me in men's FS until his arrival.

    ik, a bit uber but Yuzuru is already the Prince of Figure Skating !
    not even Chan can be in his league, Yuzuru is simply way up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Hanyu is Amazing, He will achieve legendary status in his career like Plushenko and will be the one of the favorites to win in Sochi
    he is really special, after Zhenya no one ever captured me in men's FS until his arrival.

    ik, a bit uber but Yuzuru is already the Prince of Figure Skating !
    not even Chan can be in his league, Yuzuru is simply way up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Zhenya was also one of the first to recognize Yuzuru's talent , he gave him a pendant
    and Zhenya even said, Yuzuru will be his biggest competitor and the one to beat in Sochi

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    Hanyu is a spectacular skater. Orser has brought out the best in him. I dont think that Dai has a chance if Hanyu skates the way he did. He has it all. He had become a very well rounded skater as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emdee View Post
    Hanyu is a spectacular skater. Orser has brought out the best in him. I dont think that Dai has a chance if Hanyu skates the way he did. He has it all. He had become a very well rounded skater as well.
    No, Nanami Abe brought out the best in Hanyu. Orser is merely adding some extra polish and probably some necessary politikking.

    The rest I'll just copy-paste from my first comment in the SA men's SP thread:
    Hanyu, in addition to being crazy talented and with a huge repertoire of skills, is very young - meaning that he was trained exclusively for IJS skating and can make any adjustment that will get higher points. The second half jumps, doing a solo quad with actual steps into it (too often skaters skip the steps part when they make the 4T the "jump out of steps"), the spins, the transitions - he checks off every box. And while I was not a huge fan of this coaching change, it certainly signaled to the judges that his federation is very, very serious about his prospects. As they should be. He is a Plushenko-level talent without being encumbered by Mishin's taste or years spent under 6.0. When I saw Hanyu at 2009 JW, I thought he'd be going places, I just didn't think he'd do it so fast (I can dig up the three and a half year old post where I said he'd more likely contend in 2018). Keep proving me both right and wrong, Yuzuru

    I hate the music though, and am not fond of the program. It makes him look like a Dai wannabe rather than a skater with his own (developing?) style, and he's not the performer Dai is. To that end, I think he was overscored in some of the components. But this was a 90+ skate, no doubt about it.
    And then I said that I hope people will mainly credit Abe for the work she did with Hanyu, rather than focusing on Orser's (smaller) role in his success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    No, Nanami Abe brought out the best in Hanyu. Orser is merely adding some extra polish and probably some necessary politikking.
    I will say that the polish Orser brought is probably a good chunk of the PCS improvement he had, though. He's a less clunky skater now

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    No, Nanami Abe brought out the best in Hanyu. Orser is merely adding some extra polish and probably some necessary politikking.
    I will say that the polish Orser brought is probably a good chunk of the PCS improvement he had, though. He's a less clunky skater now
    I'm not seeing that big a difference. Hanyu's improved PCS looks to me to be mainly the result of 1. a very good performance at a relatively sloppily-skated event and 2. improved reputation and politikking - which, as I noted, is indeed necessary at that level.

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    He is wonderful. What Brian Orser knows how to do(IMHO) is manage a skaters fame and protect them from a lot of the negative things that can occur around them. He did it with Yuna who was also a superstar and had health issues.

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    I had the privilege to watch Yuzuru's performance at SA today live, and I assure you that it was absolutely wonderful, and in another league from the rest. And Kozuka & Machida were also phenomenal. Mensov was awfully good also, and Armin wasn't terrible, neither was Abbott terrible. So to say it was a badly skated event, is just absolutely wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    There were those that skated badly: Verner, Brezina, & Razzano. But 4/10 good programs, 3/10 pretty good programs and 3/10 bad programs at an event is really good for the mens

    If you asked me, I'd say Yuzuru was scored just right, Taka could have been scored a bit higher than he was, Abbott was overscored, and Menshov was underscored.

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    OGM good.... as I have always said :D

    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    No, Nanami Abe brought out the best in Hanyu. Orser is merely adding some extra polish and probably some necessary politikking.

    The rest I'll just copy-paste from my first comment in the SA men's SP thread:

    And then I said that I hope people will mainly credit Abe for the work she did with Hanyu, rather than focusing on Orser's (smaller) role in his success.
    I agree about Abe, and have always said Hanyu was undermarked all last season in PCS, which resulted in some weird PCS mark below Artur and Javier. I have always thought he should be in the ranks of Daisuke/Jeremy/Patrick and sometimes exceed them during his FS performances. This season was merely Judges addressing this issue properly, and looking at the actual performance, I'd say it seems a tad higher than how I'd mark. Seems the impression of him under marked last season have resulted them over mark it a bit this competition? I have no doubt Orser is fully capable to sustain Hanyu's momentum like he did with Yuna, he is very lucky to work with 2 of the best ready made talents currently in figure skating and provide them with the polish and the environment they need. Apart from politicking, I think good management of his condition helps.

    The biggest weakness of the COP environment is the appearance of exact scoring, when in actual it suffers from all sort of latency problem that can distort from what is really achieved that day. When an A Class skater under performed from what he is expected to, it can create all sort of weird scoring. When they over achieved, the momentum building accelerate more, so if they suddenly falters, the mistakes hardly register because of everything else previously. The worst part of the COP is when judges have no idea of what they can expect, then they tend to mark conservatively which put that skater in a huge disadvantage to everyone else. However, once a skater reached the judge's good books and manage to hit their elements, doesn't matter how pap program is, the skater will do well (Just look at most of Alena's programs!). I am still not fan of this SP even though Hanyu skated it beautifully. (It feels like watching my little brother play '70s giglo, the clothes might match, but it feels just off.)

    It is great he perform as well as he did this early in the season, the WC just got more exciting, he is now a legitimate contender to Patrick's crown to the judge's mind surely.
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    As I noted I my other post, Orser told me that he has worked with Hanyu on more runthroughs and skating more hours a day. That and the extra polish in the choreography is what Orser brings to the table.

    I found Orser very friendly and humble. He made a big point of acknowloging how hard Yuzuru worked. How respectful and willing he was to learn. The Japanese fans mobbed him at the hotel bar last night taking photos -- I think he was amused at it all.

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    Mrs. P - so amazing that you are there and enjoying the skating live AND "just" having a causal conversation with Orser!! Thanks for your reports and enjoy!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by emma View Post
    Mrs. P - so amazing that you are there and enjoying the skating live AND "just" having a causal conversation with Orser!! Thanks for your reports and enjoy!!!
    I credit the Japanese fans... they came and I just waited and said, "Yuzuru had a good night, eh?" and it went from there. We also had a nice conversation about wine. Likes Washington white wine -- yay for the home team; doesn't care for Brittish Columbia ice wine. Then we talked about liquor laws in Canada. LOL...

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