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How good is Hanyu?

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The poor thing was really drooping during his program. I think he must just have been unwell today: maybe some local allergen was intensifying the asthma. I don't think this long program was an accurate reflection of his achievements to date or of his future potential. I'm sure the next time we see him, he'll be much more impressive (and, I hope, much healthier!).
 

Tinymavy15

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Hanyu has talent miles long and as we saw last year at worlds and in the short is very capable of putting it together. But stamina is still a very major issue for him and until he get that under control he can't really be counted on to deliver when it counts. His LP this season is a bit of a sleeper, jumps or no jumps, there is nothing very memorable about the program and that pink glitter has to go!
 

lakeside

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Like I said in the men’s programs threads, I predicted that Yuzru would bomb his LP… and he did. Actually this could be a great program with most difficult technical layout, intricate transitions, and a lot of angst. But if his stamina doesn’t improve then we’ll probably see him bombing again at NHK. ;)

That said, I’m rather amazed by his artistry. He pulls classical music, powerful OST, and sexy blues well! I love his SP this season. Wow. He can skate to such diverse styles at such a young age. Good for him.

I just watched SA gala. Yuzru has the best EX program there too. I thought Takahashi had the best EX program this season, but Yuzru’s program even tops that. My goodness, he’s only 17 but already has a huge charisma! We’re so lucky that the current men’s field is the deepest with Patrick, Takahashi, Yuzru, and Plushenko.
 

lavender

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Hanyu needs to improve his skating skills, which he is doing with Orser, according to a Japanese TV clip I saw. He also needs to improve posture. At present Dai has a better presence on the ice.

ITA. I think he's really good but his posture needs some work and a few other things. I'm just not getting the whole package yet...for me. There's no doubt that he's very talented but to me Dai, Chan and a few others have a better presense on ice imo.
 

janetfan

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I think Hanyu is "scary good."

Geez, he is still so young,,,,,,,,,,,,,

As to his ice presence - he reminds me of Plushy. Not that their styles are similar - but when he is skating I find myself glued to the screen - wondering what bit of magic he will show next.

This kid has "it" in spades :yes:
 

phaeljones

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I am really impressed. I originally thought that Orser was not going to be a good coach for Hanyu, and I was not totally impressed with the direction he appeared to be taking with his exhibition skates in the off season. Looking back, I am sorry for many of my previous blogs that were critical. I have never had any doubt since last year's worlds, however, that Hanyu has it in him to be the greatest skater of our lifetime. He may even be the best (he is "crazy good") now, but this I am sure of: He is going to get even better. And for right now, Orser seems to be doing something right and Hanyu is really making fantastic improvements where he has to. He is pacing himself better and he is becoming more consistent. And he can now skate a great short program (which I always thought was his weaker program competitively, although to me that never made sense given his spirit). The only criticism I have is not directed to him so much as it is to the choreography of his long program. His present long program seems to lack life. It seems to be "droopy", not a Hanyu program. However, perhaps he will find a way over the season to pick it up and give it some punch. (He got ever better at the Romeo and Juliet skate over the season last year.) As well, this present long program might be good for him in teaching him how to increase his stamina. But, yes, it really fails in being a good piece of choreography. Now, here is the thing: Even though we expect him to improve, he probably already is the best. Kudos to Orser, in inspiring Hanyu and working on places where he needed working. Sorry for doubting you. Kudos to Hanyu, for continuing to work really hard. As you become more technical, be careful not to lose your energetic enthusiastic spirit in the long program (which right now is kind of droopy). I don't think anyone can ever catch this kid in competition as long as he can keep his spirit.
 
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Bluebonnet

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It's amazing, couldn't find any more vocabularies other than repeat the word amazing, to see that such slim, seemed fragile body could do this much athletically! Hanyu is a huge talent. I think it's a right move for Hanyu to go to Orser. And the reward in such a short term could be seen already. I give this credit to his new coach Orser.:yes:

One can't expect the situation change for the better completely suddenly. If anyone questions about whether it's a right coaching change, I think questioning about Michal Brezina's coaching change is a better one, though it's another topic.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing Takahashi and Hanyu's competing each other at NHK!
 
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Mrs. P

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Orser seems to do well with skaters who have a ton of raw talent but needs polish or improvement in the details. Not to mention the man's a major COP master that can rack up the points. He has Hanyu doing three really hard combos in the SECOND half of the program along with a billion transitions in between. We didn't see it at Skate America--but man when that program is at its full potential...watch out!
 

plushyfan

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Looks very interesting but I don't understand what they say and write in there. Could you please translate them? Thank you so much!

I can't translate. :eek:: I just know the ISU has changed the SP's rules. In this season gets the skater 10% bonus, if the jumps are in the second half of SP. And the value of jumps are also changed. So I think, Hanyu's world rekord marks aren't higher as Dai's rekord was under the older rules. I hope, a japanese forum member will explaine exactly.
 

Bluebonnet

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I can't translate. :eek:: I just know the ISU has changed the SP's rules. In this season gets the skater 10% bonus, if the jumps are in the second half of SP. And the value of jumps are also changed. So I think, Hanyu's world rekord marks aren't higher as Dai's rekord was under the older rules. I hope, a japanese forum member will explaine exactly.

But thank you so much for bringing it here! If I'm not mistaken, they did not change the value of the jumps from last year. It did though add a 10% bonus for the jumps performed in the second half of SP like it was in LP.

And you are right. Hanyu has basically earned 0.85 + 1.01 = 1.86 more in BV because of this 10% in SP rule change. If we consider this, it'll be even more unfair to call this a "world record" SP.
 

Mrs. P

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But thank you so much for bringing it here! If I'm not mistaken, they did not change the value of the jumps from last year. It did though add a 10% bonus for the jumps performed in the second half of SP like it was in LP.

And you are right. Hanyu has basically earned 0.85 + 1.01 = 1.86 more in BV because of this 10% in SP rule change. If we consider this, it'll be even more unfair to call this a "world record" SP.

I mentioned this in my post the men's thread:

ETA: I realize that we ought to add apples to apples with the SP. So let's take out the BV from the new 1.1 rule. So Hanyu's base value w/o the bonus is 41.50... So with the +GOE his TES was 49.85 + 43.86 PCS = 93.71.

So it would be pretty darn close, even when you take out the 1.1 rule. But alas if scored the same without the rule, it would be sooo close, but alas not a new record.

ETA: Bad math--the altered score is actually 93.21. Still...so close! And would rank No. 2, just ahead of Patrick's SP from 2011 Worlds.
 
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Bluebonnet

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So it would be pretty darn close, even when you take out the 1.1 rule. But alas if scored the same without the rule, it would be sooo close, but alas not a new record.

ETA: Bad math--the altered score is actually 93.21. Still...so close! And would rank No. 2, just ahead of Patrick's SP from 2011 Worlds.

Which means that Takahashi, Hanyu, and Chan are all capable of this level SP skating. There were other skaters who had SP above 90, Plushenko and Lysacek.
 

Mrs. P

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Which means that Takahashi, Hanyu, and Chan are all capable of this level SP skating. There were other skaters who had SP above 90, Plushenko and Lysacek.

Yep, which is why I think this record will be broken once if not multiple times this season.
 

plushyfan

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But thank you so much for bringing it here! If I'm not mistaken, they did not change the value of the jumps from last year. It did though add a 10% bonus for the jumps performed in the second half of SP like it was in LP.

And you are right. Hanyu has basically earned 0.85 + 1.01 = 1.86 more in BV because of this 10% in SP rule change. If we consider this, it'll be even more unfair to call this a "world record" SP.

Yes, you are right. Didn't change the jumps value.
 

let`s talk

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I can't translate. :eek:: I just know the ISU has changed the SP's rules. In this season gets the skater 10% bonus, if the jumps are in the second half of SP. And the value of jumps are also changed. So I think, Hanyu's world rekord marks aren't higher as Dai's rekord was under the older rules. I hope, a japanese forum member will explaine exactly.
No need for that. Hanyu himself explained everything to Number mag the link to which I posted in his thread (deleted now). He said pretty much the same thing as you here- the rules have changed therefore the usage of the word "record" is not super correct. Who didn't know that.
 

plushyfan

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No need for that. Hanyu himself explained everything to Number mag the link to which I posted in his thread (deleted now). He said pretty much the same thing as you here- the rules have changed therefore the usage of the word "record" is not super correct. Who didn't know that.
Thank you. Anyway Hanyu's SP was great.
 
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