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    D/V while keeping their technique well seems like lost drive, especiall Meryl, just dancing the pattern perfectly and that is all. It could be that no-Igor in the team was a factor. Also, I find her look horrible: a middle-aged housewife hairstyle and a childish ballerina dress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    D/V while keeping their technique well seems like lost drive, especiall Meryl, just dancing the pattern perfectly and that is all. It could be that no-Igor in the team was a factor. Also, I find her look horrible: a middle-aged housewife hairstyle and a childish ballerina dress.
    Meryl looks like a Nany you would hire to discipline your children
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveFigures View Post
    I think you should take a closer look again before making such a statement.
    What I mean is that they definitely have the capacity to get higher tech scores, and now that they have a new coach, they can't hide behind the excuse that their old coach taught them wrong.

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    I find it always helps to rewatch these programs the morning after when you are sober and the excitement of the season opener has passed. D&W have a good SD to carry them through the season but I think it's vulnerable. Marina can tell us in a press conference that Meryl has been taking ballet and is a little ballerina now and that may work on some but the ballet theme just shines a spotlight on her posture issues that have been criticized for years. When Bobrova looks more fluid and relaxed then you do you know you have some work to do. For their sake I think they should take the marks for what they are and look at it with a critical eye which I am sure they will do. One judge may have gotten excited and awarded a ten but three judges gave you marks in the high 8´s. I think those judges saw what was skated last night. Given them such high GOE on the YP pattern which was clearly smaller then it should be at their level helps no one. But Grand Prix events alway inflate scores of the top ranked skaters to, imo, assure the right teams end up in the GPF. Then they all get long faces when their marks drop at Worlds and they feel it was their best skate to date. Just have to look at the world record Hanyu got to see how happy the judges are at SA :lol:

    I thought W&P looked the most polished so far, that B&S the most improved and that D&W haven´t gotten a lot of mileage on their SD yet.

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    I was interested to see if W/P will work on the things which didn't go so well at Nepela and I am glad they did.
    Firstly, they made an adjustment to the lift, which they got penalized for with a deduction.
    Then they raised the levels, for the YP key points, gaining 2 points here, hitting 5 out of the maximum 6 (they had 3 in Bratislava).
    And finally they got one level more in their midline step sequence as well, instead of 2.
    They lost one level for the twizzles, but I can live with that.
    So on the TES alone, they gained 3 points. That is why is smart to get out early to compete.

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    D&W have a good SD to carry them through the season but I think it's vulnerable. Marina can tell us in a press conference that Meryl has been taking ballet and is a little ballerina now and that may work on some but the ballet theme just shines a spotlight on her posture issues that have been criticized for years.
    I agree. I think it's admirable that they are trying something new for them, but one only has to look at the Giselle that Katia Gordeeva did that was linked a few pages back to see the huge difference in posture and carriage. The toe hops are charming and the program as a whole is well choreographed though, so hopefully they'll get a chance to develop it more as the season progresses.

    Re: Tanith on Ice Network - I didn't find her appraisal of Charlie to be overly effusive, and I'm not even a D/W fan.

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    With regards to icenetwork's or universal for ice dance, I would prefer Ben Agosto commentating rather than Tanith Belbin. He is impartial and actually I find he is more knowledgeable and less prone to these little digs at other teams. Look commentators should point out weakness' but they should also point out strengths...my two cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    D/V while keeping their technique well seems like lost drive, especiall Meryl, just dancing the pattern perfectly and that is all. It could be that no-Igor in the team was a factor. Also, I find her look horrible: a middle-aged housewife hairstyle and a childish ballerina dress.
    Given that the music is from a ballet where the title character wears such an iconic dress and hairstyle that virtually all women portraying the role are costumed nearly identically, what would you have her wear? A Katy Perry outfit? A Rhianna buzz cut? Edgy is not always appropriate. The shading of the dress can be adjusted as can the form of Meryl's bun, but I suspect that the basic look will remain unchanged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcoates View Post
    Given that the music is from a ballet where the title character wears such an iconic dress and hairstyle that virtually all women portraying the role are costumed nearly identically, what would you have her wear? A Katy Perry outfit? A Rhianna buzz cut? Edgy is not always appropriate. The shading of the dress can be adjusted as can the form of Meryl's bun, but I suspect that the basic look will remain unchanged.
    thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcoates View Post
    Given that the music is from a ballet where the title character wears such an iconic dress and hairstyle that virtually all women portraying the role are costumed nearly identically, what would you have her wear? A Katy Perry outfit? A Rhianna buzz cut? Edgy is not always appropriate. The shading of the dress can be adjusted as can the form of Meryl's bun, but I suspect that the basic look will remain unchanged.
    Yeah, but she looks so Disney-Princessy that you half expect dwarfs to march in step behind her. I like the bun, want the dress changed. And there was nothing really balletic about that dance.

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    If I have time, I will write up some thoughts from the arena. IMO W&P should have been closer to Bobrova & Soloviev, and perhaps below them, in my book, because B&S have significantly improved, and despite the extra viewing W&P's program got at Nebelhorn, they still had visible roughnesses and hesitations that wil I'm sure be ironed out by Worlds, but are still there now. W&P's rotations on their twizzles were relatively slow, and they didn't get the distance on them, either, for example. B&S's waltz footwork was charming, and properly in a waltz vein. There were so many cuts in W&P's program that they seemed to be trying to squeeze the whole of Sound of Music in 4 minutes, and it was too much; the program didn't gel. It isn't soup yet, for me.

    YMMV

    As to Davis & White's routine, it went very well in the arena. You might think that a Seattle venue would be all Americans, but it wasn't. The announcer polled the audience at each session (are you from here or not) and about half the people were not from the Seattle area. There were a huge number of Japanese people, and we were seated among people generically identifying as "European" with "Europe" signs. Seattle is at a major USA hub from Asia, but it is even closer to Canada, and there were many Canadians here, several buses full on tours) so it isn't like W&P lacked fan support compared to B&S, for example.

    When you hear the arena clapping in time through a compulsory dance (the YP CD done straight through at the end of D&W's program), you know that something about the routine & the music cuts moved the audience. And D&W's SD got about as good a standing ovation as Hanyu's SP did.. about 3/4 of the arena (Mr. Ski's estimate). This is an arena with very narrow seats and little footroom, and it is difficult to put your stuff down and stand up and clap for anyone. The crowd has been very stingy with standing O's. Neither B&S nor W&P got one. Hanyu's and D&W's have been the biggest up to now, including Ashley Wagner's.

    I think D&W's Giselle is a good SD program. In picking a program to a ballet which has very well defined costume expectations, they are sort of stuck...they are going to look like Giselle in blue and the gamekeeper. I don't expect to see the costumes change a whole lot. Here are 3 productions of Giselle, act one, chosen at random, and they differ only in slight shades of blue, the volume of crinoline, and whether the gamekeeper character has brown tights or not, or a whole leatherish top or just a leatherish vest.

    http://www.culturevulture.net/Dance/...lagiselle3.jpg

    http://www.culturevulture.net/Dance/.../giselle02.jpg

    http://photos.lasvegassun.com/media/...b3328710e01e7b

    That is one reason I am not crazy about ballet programs in general; the weight of traditions stifles a lot of the creativity that ice dancers could bring to the music otherwise, and not just in costuming.

    However, doing the yankee polka to a ballet is a crazy enough concept to satisfy; Meryl & Charlie performed it joyfully, and seemed much smoother, faster, and more practiced than their competitors. Yes, it's the beginning of the season, and there are things to work on, but it was a good start.

    In general, this is the first group of SD's where I actually liked a lot of them!

    The Germans are so brave to be doing a Polka one night stand comedy routine. I liked it a lot!

    If you want to see what a Yankee Polka character would have involved in the old CD days, do check out Lynn & Logan's Ring of Fire number! I loved it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Yeah, but she looks so Disney-Princessy that you half expect dwarfs to march in step behind her. I like the bun, want the dress changed. And there was nothing really balletic about that dance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1e86...eature=related

    If one looks through several more clips from Giselle it would not be hard to see how appropriate the dress is.

    I liked the program....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Yeah, but she looks so Disney-Princessy that you half expect dwarfs to march in step behind her. I like the bun, want the dress changed. And there was nothing really balletic about that dance.
    To be fair (and this is not a criticism), Meryl almost always looks like a Disney princess. It's not necessarily intentional, it's just the whole natural package. The voice, the angular bone structure and being paired with a partner who's hair and manner appear to mimic several Disney princes. They could easily get summer jobs in Orlando if they needed fallback employment. It really can't be helped IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyhey View Post
    With regards to icenetwork's or universal for ice dance, I would prefer Ben Agosto commentating rather than Tanith Belbin. He is impartial and actually I find he is more knowledgeable and less prone to these little digs at other teams. Look commentators should point out weakness' but they should also point out strengths...my two cents...
    Well I think Tanith is knoweldgable but communicating is another thing. I don't want to get beaten up but I understand that Tanith has a higher Q rating ann to be blunt - she is very attractive which doesn't hurt when you are hiring a commentator. Sorry, if that is offensive but there is some truth to this.

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    I still find D and W way overmarked. And they could both cut their hair if they want to get rid of that Disney look. I actually would love them to see them skate in a Disney show- they have such likeable personalities...Meryl could play all the princesses or princess types and Charlie her prince.

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