10-22-2012, 04:32 PM
I feel like this scenario assumes a level of near-Machiavellian scheming that I'm not sure the federation is even capable of. (If they were that good at manipulating situations, wouldn't they have found some way to get Alissa Czisny off the World team last year?)
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
I get that the federation wants Ashley to shine, but don't they also just want to get good results, period? I mean, it's expensive to send these skaters to events. Why send them if they're just going to bomb? It doesn't make sense to me. If they're worried about Nagasu eclipsing Wagner, then just send someone with potential who could use exposure and international experience yet won't pose a "threat".
However, I admit I know little about federation politics, so you guys may be right.
10-22-2012, 04:33 PM
I personally think it must be great to be a training mate with Ross Miner (who is also coached by Johansson + Mitchell). Miner seems so level headed and I bet he's just a really nice guy that probably makes Christina feel at ease.
Originally Posted by mskater93
Also, I think what we're seeing is Christina simply being able to perform well in her new body. I had a feeling that last season was a bit of a throwaway season for her because she clearly was going through a major growth spurt and you could see that she felt pretty awkward in her body.
Here at Skate America -- she was CONFIDENT. When I saw her at the autograph session -- she seemed very much at ease.
More comments coming soon!
10-22-2012, 04:35 PM
Congrats to Ashley! I caught Ashley, Christina and Adelina FS yesterday on NBC. Ashley is not one of my fav but her performance was outstanding.
I was clapping along with the audience when she finished. Christina surprised the heck out of me, lovely performance and much improved.
Adelina is a breath of fresh air, not crazy about her FS music, ugh.
After reading about Rachel's poor performance I think I will pass on watching her FS.
Off to watch the Ladies SP!
Last edited by demarinis5; 10-22-2012 at 04:39 PM.
10-22-2012, 05:50 PM
You know, I can't believe I'm one coming to Rachael's defense. I'm not a big fan of hers at all. But, I think her long program was pretty well skated. She had a lot of energy at the end showing that her stamina is a non-issue. I have a feeling that after she took time off this summer, she lost both the flip and lutz jumps, and she's just now getting the flip back. The technique on that jump just looks very unsure at the moment. The one thing that was poor in her performance was her spins. She definitely needs help getting the levels up on those. She does look like she's gained some weight, but she's never had much of a skater's body type in the first place. I think people that aren't watching her freeskate due to the reports should check it out. It really was not the disaster that people are making it out to be, and the ending choreography was quite lovely. There are a lot of second tier skaters that would be over joyed to skate a program like that.
10-22-2012, 05:57 PM
I will comment more later, but Rachael had a decent performance. She stood on her feet and did five non UR triples. In fact, I felt the judges were a bit stingy on the GOE for those jumps. The loops, in particular, were quite lovely. She mostly lost points on non-jump elements, particularly with spins levels, which with an ankle injury it makes sense that she wouldn't want to abuse her legs by doing all those rotations.
Originally Posted by Ruffles78
10-22-2012, 06:01 PM
Actually it was quite obvious last year they badly wanted Czisny on that World team and it took a level of scheming for her to get the scores to put her there despite how she skated at Nationals. They ended up looking like fools for so badly wanting that in the end, but it is clearly what they wished for last season and got, fairness be damned.
Originally Posted by eyria
10-22-2012, 06:05 PM
She also lost points by having the lowest PCS of the entire field, the only one close to as low in the LP being last place finisher Sarah Hecken. Journeywomen Viktoria Helgesson with a poor LP includng a fall, a near fall, another stumble, and 3 downgraded jumps, still beat Flatt by an average of an entire point by component and 8 point in PCS in the LP. If that isnt a message where the judges want you to go, I dont know what is.
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
She did skate quite well. That is the whole thing. Even a good skate from her cant reach 100 points anymore, and her PCS suck in a huge way now. She basically has to land 7 triples if she wants to get close to 100 points since she isnt going to get points from anything else now.
Last edited by pangtongfan; 10-22-2012 at 06:07 PM.
10-22-2012, 06:48 PM
It doesn't require that much scheming. You just choose the skaters you want.
Originally Posted by eyria
You do want success, but there's only so much political capital - you've gotta choose how you spend it.
10-22-2012, 10:02 PM