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    To Be...Or Not To be.....a Princess

    Watching this Brit EuroSport clip of Alissa's SP from last season's Skate America made me wonder about what USA fans and skating fans in general expect or hope for from Lady skaters.

    Here is Alissa as called by the Brit Euro announcers:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OrYWKSrNrQ

    "Pretty as a Princess" was the call.

    Alissa's SP score from last season's SA was 64 and change.

    Now here is Ashley's SP from this season's SA:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SNWS0K1crY

    This program was hyped big time....but don't know if it is necessarily everybodies cup of tea.
    I don't think it approaches Caro's SP from last season but I admit it is growing on me.

    Ashley scored a 60 for this SP program.

    Just wondering- which program do GS members prefer...and why?

    mathman recently wrote (and then mysteriously deleted a good point) that American girls don't want to be a "Princess" any longer.
    He said something like "they want to steal second base."

    I never got to reply because he deleted that thought - but my feeling in part is that American girls who want to steal second base have plenty of opportunities to do so by playing baseball.

    Most of us are familiar with Abby, Alex and Hope - and know that American girls who want to score goals (or stop goals ) have the same opportunity as American boys to become accomplished soccer/football players.

    So what gives here?

    Is the "Ice Princess" a dead concept in USA? Is it part of the pageant effect of the past and anti-sport in the 21st century?

    Is it hurting skating - or is it unfortunate that Alissa may be the last in a long line of the American Ice Princess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Is the "Ice Princess" a dead concept in USA?
    ho ho ho ho ho ha ha ha ha ha ha heh heh heh heh heh

    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post

    Is it part of the pageant effect of the past and anti-sport in the 21st century?
    Yes, yes

    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post

    Is it hurting skating - or is it unfortunate that Alissa may be the last in a long line of the American Ice Princess?
    Yes, no

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightphoton View Post
    ho ho ho ho ho ha ha ha ha ha ha heh heh heh heh heh



    Yes, yes



    Yes, no
    I am interested in your last answer - the "yes, no" which is either intriguing or terribly non-committal.

    Can you explain?

    ETA: to get back to mathman's premise - I find it flawed on several levels (not a criticism - in fact I like that you raised the question in the first place ).

    Let's assume a young gir loves to skate - and does not "want to steal second base" or become an "ice princess."
    Beyond any doubt American girls who love to skate can get into speed skating or ice hockey,,,,even short track.

    Am I wrong to feel that when they decide they want to be a figure skater - they do so because they like the sport and dance/art concept that is absolutely part of figure skating. They might really be into music as well.

    Let's take it a step further - they might also like the costumes, makeup and the theatrical aspects that are undeniably part of figureskating.

    Gracie looks like a very athletic girl. Why is she into figure skating and not speed skating or hockey. How do we know that her secret dream is really to score a goal or steal second base?

    If that were really true I doubt that Gracie would have chosen figure skating and all that it encompasses.
    Without any doubt she has options.....
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    As the grandmother of a 10 year old girl, I can assure you that princesses, not to mention fairies, are still big with little girls in the US and in other countries. The total sales of Disney Princess paraphenalia alone should tell you that.

    http://www.disneybythenumbers.com/wdco/page12.html

    170 million visitors per year make a visit to Disney stores worldwide.
    25,000 SKU’s & 300 licenses are issued for the Disney Princess merchandise globally.
    ...
    $2.6 billion in box office revenue worldwide for Disney Princess animated films.


    5 of the top six Disney video releases of all time are Disney Princess animated films.

    4 of the 5 top direct-to-video premieres of all time are Disney Princess animated films.

    24 million guests have seen Beauty and the Beast on Broadway.

    10 million in worldwide circulation for the Disney Princess Magazines. Disney Princess Magazines also produces 30 editions available in 75 countries.

    96% awareness with Moms of Kids, 94% awareness with Girls 9-11, 91% awareness with Girls 6-8 is what Tinker bell can offer.
    The cult of the princess is definitely not dead.

    Fairies (cs. Tinker belle) are also popular.

    Building houses for fairies is likewise popular, and my granddaughter and her bff went to this event...wearing fairy wings.,

    http://www.fairyhouses.com/events/to...portsmouth-nh/

    They both also play soccer.

    Princessing & team sports are not mutually exclusive activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    As the grandmother of a 10 year old girl, I can assure you that princesses, not to mention fairies, are still big with little girls in the US and in other countries. The total sales of Disney Princess paraphenalia alone should tell you that.

    http://www.disneybythenumbers.com/wdco/page12.html



    The cult of the princess is definitely not dead.

    Fairies (cs. Tinker belle) are also popular.

    Building houses for fairies is likewise popular, and my granddaughter and her bff went to this event...wearing fairy wings.,

    http://www.fairyhouses.com/events/to...portsmouth-nh/

    They both also play soccer.

    Princessing & team sports are not mutually exclusive activities.
    Interesting answer Doris.....I also have a fair share of "princesses" in my life. : None of them want to try figure skating- although one - the seriously good soccer player loves Apollo - and mentioned how cool short track skating is and that would be the only thing that could get her on ice skates.

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    One of the great things about growing up right now is that women-- and girls-- can choose what they want to be. I would think that Alissa is a "princess" because that is what fits her personality, demeanor, and taste. It doesn't feel forced or trite with her, because that's just who she is. Ashley seems to be a more aggressive and athletic skater because that's what fits her personality, demeanor, and taste. I don't think either style is going away (I would argue that we saw some gorgeous balletic skating at SA), and don't think that anyone who is not going to become an "ice princess" is hurting the sport. On the contrary, I think that having different artistic perspectives can only benefit the sport.

    I think, ultimately, Americans-- and I would assume most fans-- like to see skaters skating what is true to them. As a fan of both Alissa and Ashley, I wouldn't want either of them to be someone else. There is room for both styles in figure skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britebells View Post
    One of the great things about growing up right now is that women-- and girls-- can choose what they want to be. I would think that Alissa is a "princess" because that is what fits her personality, demeanor, and taste. It doesn't feel forced or trite with her, because that's just who she is. Ashley seems to be a more aggressive and athletic skater because that's what fits her personality, demeanor, and taste. I don't think either style is going away (I would argue that we saw some gorgeous balletic skating at SA), and don't think that anyone who is not going to become an "ice princess" is hurting the sport. On the contrary, I think that having different artistic perspectives can only benefit the sport.

    I think, ultimately, Americans-- and I would assume most fans-- like to see skaters skating what is true to them. As a fan of both Alissa and Ashley, I wouldn't want either of them to be someone else. There is room for both styles in figure skating.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I pretty much agree.....and am a HUGE Alissa fan

    I also can see that Mr Nicks has taken Ashley to a better place.....she is no Sasha and never will be.
    I like what Ashley is showing - and it seems like stylistically she has finaly found her way. By next season - look out! (maybe even this season)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    As the grandmother of a 10 year old girl, I can assure you that princesses, not to mention fairies, are still big with little girls in the US and in other countries. The total sales of Disney Princess paraphenalia alone should tell you that.

    http://www.disneybythenumbers.com/wdco/page12.html



    The cult of the princess is definitely not dead.

    Fairies (cs. Tinker belle) are also popular.

    Building houses for fairies is likewise popular, and my granddaughter and her bff went to this event...wearing fairy wings.,

    http://www.fairyhouses.com/events/to...portsmouth-nh/

    They both also play soccer.

    Princessing & team sports are not mutually exclusive activities.

    *psst!* It's "Tinkerbell"

    My neice is a gymnast who loves all things pink and purple... loves the princesses but went as a vampiress last halloween... she's a girly girl who loves the princesses but plays hard at sports... girl started learning the bars this year. first time out she let go and landed on her face. No crying she picked herself up and did it right the next time... oh, yeah, she's six.

    Girls kick butt!

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    Just think about figure skating in pop culture. The last movie made about a girl who wanted to figure skate was literally called "Ice Princess." The main character even wore a tiara to the climatic competition.

    Besides, it doesn't matter if a skater is a princess or a queen or a pirate or swan or generic classical music fairy. They're still in a sport/activity that's judged at least partly on appearances, and this includes ballet, pageants, gymnastics, figure skating, dance, cheerleading. Why should it be so good that the whims of the judges have shifted to another genre? It's moot though, because all of those sports/activities like and always will like princesses. And by princess, I mean the lean, flat, graceful, bendy, dainty, smiling, purdy girl with long lines.

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