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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    It's certainly possible to want to wear pretty dresses and also to compete like a jock.
    And this truth is not limited to skating.
    Example: Serena and Venus Williams both are fashionistas (on and off the tennis court). Each of them even designs a clothing line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    Example: Serena and Venus Williams both are fashionistas (on and off the tennis court). Each of them even designs a clothing line.
    I am no "fashionista" but would say the Williams sisters have had very mixed results with their fashion offerings.

    Steffi was "it" for me...greatest lady tennis player I ever saw - and alway dressed in an outfit that said "sport first, fashion second."

    What a legendary player she was - always such a gracious champion and even more gracious when she lost.

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    Why does it *have* to be a pretty princess style? I know that's what many people expect, but Kwan didn't do that kind of program and it never hurt her. She was expressive and regal but most of her musical selections were not in that balletic pretty vein and she was beloved by one and all her fans (and loved to be hated by Cohen, Slutskaya, etc fans). A skater needs to be true to who they are in terms of musical expression otherwise people will whine that they were "fake" and the interpretation "bad" and they may be so focused on the uncomfortable aspects/movement of the program that it takes it toll on their consistency. Wagner used to have these kinds of programs foisted on her for her short and I think that's part of the reason her short programs were aways digging her a hole. Mills in the last two years has put together two programs where Wagner can be "herself" in terms of movement and she's really getting confident and showing off her own style.

    Why can't a girl want to be the base stealer-type and still be a figure skater? If you talk to many of today's skaters (known, upcoming, and new), they are about the athletic side of things - difficulty of steps, big, hard jumps, level 4 spins, lots of speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Why does it *have* to be a pretty princess style? I know that's what many people expect, but Kwan didn't do that kind of program and it never hurt her. She was expressive and regal but most of her musical selections were not in that balletic pretty vein and she was beloved by one and all her fans (and loved to be hated by Cohen, Slutskaya, etc fans). A skater needs to be true to who they are in terms of musical expression otherwise people will whine that they were "fake" and the interpretation "bad" and they may be so focused on the uncomfortable aspects/movement of the program that it takes it toll on their consistency. Wagner used to have these kinds of programs foisted on her for her short and I think that's part of the reason her short programs were aways digging her a hole. Mills in the last two years has put together two programs where Wagner can be "herself" in terms of movement and she's really getting confident and showing off her own style.

    Why can't a girl want to be the base stealer-type and still be a figure skater? If you talk to many of today's skaters (known, upcoming, and new), they are about the athletic side of things - difficulty of steps, big, hard jumps, level 4 spins, lots of speed.
    I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you.......

    BTW, since you are very familair with Gracie.....how would you describe her new programs for this season?

    I really haven't had a chance to see a decent clip of her new LP....the one I did see was .....um sorta bleh.......
    I say that as a Gracie fan.....want and hope for her to be successful.....

    Thinking of the way Carlo transformed Dorothy - all the way to the OGM.......part of me wishes Gracie was with Mr Nicks,,,,,,who IMO really knows how to showcase a skater's best qualities.

    So you or others don't read this post the wrong way I say:

    Go Gracie!!

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    SP is cute and quirky, very much like her personality. LP still hasn't won me yet except for the opening jump combinations in terms of style. Looks to me that Scott, Alex, and Gracie are still looking for what is going to work for her in a LP sense of style. Of course, when I've seen it it's been work in progress from a program standpoint and I haven't seen it since SLC.

    I've not been totally sold on the long programs that Scott Brown has put together for her but I also don't want her putting on some veneer of something that she isn't like Carlo transforming Dorothy (the main thing he did with her was make her wear her glasses when she patched so she could actually SEE her tracings...). I don't think Gracie would really thrive in Mr. Nicks' environment from a personal well-being standpoint. She's best off training in Illinois surrounded by her very well grounded family where she's happy and well adjusted and her mom can help keep the pressure and stupidness away.

    Getting choreography somewhere else and letting Scott tweak it once the initial program is set? Yeah, I could see that...Philip Mills has been here before choreographing a number of programs for a couple coaches skaters, she could have Rohene do one or go to Detroit to Pasquale or Marina if she really wanted, but let's let her setting into Senior Ladies in her comfort zone first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    SP is cute and quirky, very much like her personality. LP still hasn't won me yet except for the opening jump combinations in terms of style. Looks to me that Scott, Alex, and Gracie are still looking for what is going to work for her in a LP sense of style. Of course, when I've seen it it's been work in progress from a program standpoint and I haven't seen it since SLC.

    I've not been totally sold on the long programs that Scott Brown has put together for her but I also don't want her putting on some veneer of something that she isn't like Carlo transforming Dorothy (the main thing he did with her was make her wear her glasses when she patched so she could actually SEE her tracings...). I don't think Gracie would really thrive in Mr. Nicks' environment from a personal well-being standpoint. She's best off training in Illinois surrounded by her very well grounded family where she's happy and well adjusted and her mom can help keep the pressure and stupidness away.

    Getting choreography somewhere else and letting Scott tweak it once the initial program is set? Yeah, I could see that...Philip Mills has been here before choreographing a number of programs for a couple coaches skaters, she could have Rohene do one or go to Detroit to Pasquale or Marina if she really wanted, but let's let her setting into Senior Ladies in her comfort zone first!
    Also doesn't she work with Oleg Epstein, who is currently doing work with Marina in Canton? Gracie also was in Canton this summer working on choreography, skating skills and such, so I think her team knows to export to other experts when needed.

    Also let's not forget that her sister Carly Gold also skates...While Gracie is better, I think part of her success is attributed to the support she gets from her sister...

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    Yes, she spent some time with either Marina or Paquale this summer working on SS. Oleg does some work with her as well, but Scott B is still her choreographer of record and we've still seen him around working on the programs with her.

    Carly is part of the "very well grounded family" I alluded to that helps her keep things in perspective. And just don't forget, Carley is no slouch either - she just qualified for Mids as a Senior Lady last week (and would have done so even if Gracie had partaken in the event).

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