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    Quote Originally Posted by DianaSelene View Post
    Never seen it. Can't judge. I only know that Alberto Alonso's is not.
    Well, that's the point then, isn't it? There are a lot of different Carmens out there, and just because you haven't seen one that is overly sexual, doesn't mean it hasn't been done before. Carmen is a story about sex, and different people will interpret that differently. V/M are taking a more explicit route, but not as explicit as others. Will that route be winning? We'll have to wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DianaSelene View Post
    To me, many of these comments make little sense. Yes, Carmen includes sex but I wouldn't want to see it. It's like saying that if the Shibutanis are skating to Memoirs of a Geisha, they should be playing out a scene between a geisha and her customer. I'm sorry but I don't like Virtue putting her hand on his butt, nor her crotch in his face. I've seen the opera Carmen and the ballet Carmen and neither were overly sexual.
    This doesn't make sense to me... to acknowledge the piece's seductive/sexually-charged nature but be against the manifestation of it.


    Quote Originally Posted by DianaSelene View Post
    The themes were there but Elena Obraztsova never smacked Placido Domingo's butt and neither did Svetlana Zakharova.
    They might've if they'd been ice dancers. This is V/M's modern interpretation of Carmen for ice-dancing. I bet they didn't wear skimpy outfits at the opera either


    OT, I think Canadians have less hang-ups about sexuality. In SYTYCD Canada for instance, many routines would be categorized adult audiences only compared to the American show.


    ETA: And based on what I've seen so far I don't see anything overtly sexual in V/M's program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by all that View Post
    Well, that's the point then, isn't it? There are a lot of different Carmens out there, and just because you haven't seen one that is overly sexual, doesn't mean it hasn't been done before. Carmen is a story about sex, and different people will interpret that differently. V/M are taking a more explicit route, but not as explicit as others. Will that route be winning? We'll have to wait and see.
    Then I probably would not like Petit's either. It's not like I will change my mind about this. Whether this will be a winning route does not matter to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndieBoi View Post
    This doesn't make sense to me... to acknowledge the piece's seductive/sexually-charged nature but be against the manifestation of it.




    They might've if they'd been ice dancers. This is V/M's modern interpretation of Carmen for ice-dancing. I bet they didn't wear skimpy outfits at the opera either


    OT, I think Canadians have less hang-ups about sexuality. In SYTYCD Canada for instance, many routines would be categorized adult audiences only compared to the American show.


    ETA: And based on what I've seen so far I don't see anything overtly sexual in V/M's program.
    Your quote about how maybe Elena and Placido would do that if they were ice dancers does not make sense. I've seen many Carmens on ice but they didn't have butt-smacking and I don't think that I missed out on anything. Krylova/Ovsiannikov skated to Carmen and it was not very sexual. Just because you are dancing to a piece about love, does not mean that you have to include sex in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DianaSelene View Post
    Your quote about how maybe Elena and Placido would do that if they were ice dancers does not make sense. I've seen many Carmens on ice but they didn't have butt-smacking and I don't think that I missed out on anything. Krylova/Ovsiannikov skated to Carmen and it was not very sexual. Just because you are dancing to a piece about love, does not mean that you have to include sex in it.
    I still don't see how V/M's program includes sex. I don't recall anybody gyrating to the percussions.

    Also, ‘butt-smacking’?... Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndieBoi View Post
    I still don't see how V/M's program includes sex. I don't recall anybody gyrating to the percussions.

    Also, ‘butt-smacking’?... Really?
    The vehicle of expression in opera is vocal. In ice dance it's physical. Carmen isn't just about sex, it's about a power struggle over sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DianaSelene View Post
    Your quote about how maybe Elena and Placido would do that if they were ice dancers does not make sense. I've seen many Carmens on ice but they didn't have butt-smacking and I don't think that I missed out on anything. Krylova/Ovsiannikov skated to Carmen and it was not very sexual. Just because you are dancing to a piece about love, does not mean that you have to include sex in it.
    But if you're skating to piece about lust, you well better. Anyway, it'll definitely be a discussion piece, and it'll be interesting to see if they tone it down or up based on judges comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    It's not like they are gyrating in place.
    No, they're saving that for Worlds.

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    Chances are, the groping stuff is going to look quite a bit different in full costumes rather than in dance practice outfits. Skirts change the look of a lot of things.

    Strictly speaking, there are very few points, plus or minus, for portraying or not not portraying passion while skating to Carmen.

    There is a deduction for immodest lifts, but AFAIR, isn't that limited to having the girl upside down displaying a clear crotch shot? I don't see that here.

    So we will all have to wait to see the whole production to say.

    If V&M enjoy doing Carmen, this way, more power to them. After all, if their program looked like everybody else's Carmen, people would just yawn and be bored. Better to go the somewhat controversial route, IMO>

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    If V&M enjoy doing Carmen, this way, more power to them. After all, if their program looked like everybody else's Carmen, people would just yawn and be bored. Better to go the somewhat controversial route, IMO>


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    Quote Originally Posted by all that View Post
    Carmen is a story about sex
    Carmen is about passion, flirting, killing emotions that lead to a tragedy.
    I agree with DianaSelene.
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    I didn't realize V/M were pornstars...
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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Carmen is about passion, flirting, killing emotions that lead to a tragedy.
    That's what V/M's program seems to bring.
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 10-27-2012 at 10:17 AM. Reason: remove explicit language

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    Did I wake up on Mars ?

    I guess this will put the whole V/M can only do sweet romantic first love thing to rest.

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    I dunno I'm just not seeing it that way... it just looks like bad acting to me (you know, like the "romance" scenes in Twilight or something)

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