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    I have to say love Suzuki's program much more than that of Osmond's. There is no way their PCS that close. How could Osmond get that high PCS amazed me. Elene's PCS should be higher in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilvskating View Post
    I have to say love Suzuki's program much more than that of Osmond's. There is no way their PCS that close. How could Osmond get that high PCS amazed me. Elene's PCS should be higher in my opinion.
    I somewhat agree but Suzuki skated earlier due to a not so good short program, so cost herself the hit in marks one naturally takes in PCS from that (unless your name is Patrick Chan of course).

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    Ladies - Long Program (7:45 AM PST/10:45 AM EST)

    Quote Originally Posted by gioccia View Post
    About the judges...They are still in Canada ... Even if they are not Canadians... people can have good accomodation, good dinner, entertainment, presents...what not...and somebody whispers "Help our girl".
    What colour medal can you get for a plate of Calamari?

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    Okay Osmond is good. Some good qualities there but all I can think of is how she is only 16/17 and puberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gioccia View Post
    I think it's ridiculous to compare not only Osmond to Suzuki...but to Liza. I think she should have fallen behind all the 5 girls both in the SP and FS. She should have fotten good not HUGE TES and good not HUGE PCS. How come Liza got 117 with a clean skate last year and Osmond got 115 with THIS skate???
    Because Osmond is a better skater than Tuk?

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    Akiko deserved 8.0's for PCS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavender View Post
    Okay Osmond is good. Some good qualities there but all I can think of is how she is only 16/17 and puberty.
    I think she's already gone through that and come out the other side.

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    Ugh, this judging system is so inconsistent it makes me want to rip my hair out.
    First of all, scores from different competitions can't be compared accurately because each event is scored at slightly different baselines - like the olympics where scores were just ridiculously high across the board.
    I'm fine with that because it can't be avoided with such a subjective system, but it's really annoying when there's such a difference in judging standards among skaters in the same competition.
    Suzuki's Cirque du Soleil is quickly becoming one of my favorite programs of all time, and it's so wonderfully skated. She deserves higher PCS for sure.

    I don't care that Osmond has a high absolute PCS value. It bothers me, however, that relative to her number, Suzuki's PCS is not high enough. Scores should at least be consistent and held up to the same standards within a single event.

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    No, Osmond is not a better skater than Tuktamysheva. Liza has two JGP gold medals, a JGPF silver medal, and a JW silver medal. Osmond won no medals in the JGP and her top finish at JW 10th.

    In 2011, Tuktamysheva won gold at SC and TEB, with SPs that had 3z+3t and two 6-triple FSs (all clean). She does not flutz or lip. Yet she received lower PCS scores at both events than Kaetlyn did at SC even though Kaetlyn flutzes, she does 3t+3t and not 3z+3t, and of the 5 triples landed in her FS (she fell on the only 3z attempt), only 3 were clean.

    Liza is having problems this year due to injury and growth, but she still landed 5 clean triples in her FS at SC.

    And I totally agree that if Kaetlyn got 7s in PCS, Akiko should have had 8s. Akiko's PCS were held down and Kaetlyn's inflated to assure the win.
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    Oh my God, Kanako Murakami was WONDERFUL. SHE should have won this event! That was the best performance of her career! She blossomed into that tango dance so naturally. The Bronze medal and only 4th in the LP??? LOL! It was by far the performance of the night. This program is more complex and interesting than Akiko's, although that one is nice, plus Kanako seem to have a bit more fluidity to whole thing today. Technically she was also ahead on the spins (the jumps and footwork were about even).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    The robbery of the night was Murakami. Three 3 UR calls?! I swear I think judges like to give UR calls for her just for fun.

    The 3Loop I'm OK with. But the other two are completely phantom to me.
    I saw her 3Loop-2Loop as being totally fine and I've gone back and watched it very carefully now - it was definitely solid. I would have given that combo a +1 GOE but it actually got -1 GOE in addition to the < call. A huge, undeserved loss of points there.

    The Salchow was borderline but I would not have called it < , especially because it's just the very top of her toepick that starts landing at the borderline.

    The final toeloop actually was underrotated a little bit. She lets her feet get apart a little too early there and it causes her to lose rotational speed and finish some of the rotation of the ice. The thing is, though, that jump was fine in size and had very good outflow on the landing. I would have given it +1 GOE. Underrotated jumps should not be automatically getting -GOE like this.

    INSANE judging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rain View Post
    I think she's already gone through that and come out the other side.
    Maybe...maybe not. I hope 4 her she has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    No, Osmond is not a better skater than Tuktamysheva. Liza has two JGP gold medals, a JGPF silver medal, and a JW silver medal. Osmond won no medals in the JGP and her top finish at JW 10th.

    In 2011, Tuktamysheva won gold at SC and TEB, with SPs that had 3z+3t and two 6-triple FSs (all clean). She does not flutz or lip. Yet she received lower PCS scores at both events than Kaetlyn did at SC even though Kaetlyn flutzes, she does 3t+3t and not 3z+3t, and of the 5 triples landed in her FS (she fell on the only 3z attempt), only 3 were clean.
    Yes, she is. Osmond skates with more speed and ice coverage; has better posture, lines and extension. She also has better programs, choreogrpahy, musicality and maturity. Her jumps are also just as good. Those are what account for whether a skater is good or not, not how many medals one has. How many medals one has is not what's causing a skater to be good, it's the result of a skater being good. Not having as many medals doesn't necessarily mean you are any less of a skater. We all know winning medals takes a certain combination of skills, mental toughness, luck, and timing. And besides, even if Tuktamysheva WAS the better skater in the past, doesn't mean she still is NOW.
    Last edited by shine; 10-28-2012 at 12:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvi5 View Post
    What colour medal can you get for a plate of Calamari?
    Platinum

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    Osmond has really good basics. She also has really great energy in her performance. I would NOT call the choreography better. First of all, she totally rips off Katarina Witt's Carmen choreography (which is distracting), except she does a far more superficial version and with some of the CoP elements clumsily set to music, as is so often the case these days.

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    Ladies - Long Program (7:45 AM PST/10:45 AM EST)

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    Well, there is the problem. Japan only offered the judges Kraft Dinner.

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