Page 10 of 19 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 LastLast
Results 136 to 150 of 278

Thread: Can Gracie Gold handle the pressure?

  1. #136
    ISU, stop promoting 2-foot skating!
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Axis of Evil
    Posts
    2,516
    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Wow Ziggy. Who do you think they should have sent?
    The Worlds haven't happened yet.

    They should send Wagner and the highest placed skater from 4CC which is Gao, IMO.

    With Wagner and Gold, the chances of three Olympic spots are almost none.
    Last edited by Ziggy; 02-11-2013 at 03:48 PM.

  2. #137
    At the rink. Again. mskater93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    3,201
    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Gao has just very comfortably beaten Gold at 4CC.
    I said at Nationals which is where USFS chooses its team. No one, in other words. I wouldn't call Gao's finishing ahead "comfortable" considering that Gold gave up at least 16.5 points technically and was pretty much even up on PCS (1 point difference) with Gold skating not-great and Gao only making one mistake.

  3. #138
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    28,320
    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    See, I find it absolutely infuriating and the typical example of Americans looking down at everybody else.

    At the end of the day what really matters is how you perform at major international competitions in front of an international judging panel.
    I don't know about "looking down on." To me, it's a question of the tail wagging the dog. The USFSA has over 100,000 dues-paying members. Of these, perhaps one one-hundredth of one per cent will ever legitimately aspire to skate in the ISU World Championships.

    in discussions of this sort we try to convince ourselves that it is very important to get three U.S. ladies' spots for the world championships. Is it? The difference between two and three spots will briefly affect the life of precisely one person in the country (population 300,000,000) -- three, if you count that person's parents.

    I am often accused of having no patriotism (and for that matter, no school spirit ). I have to admit that if Julia Lipnitskaya wins the Olympics next year I will say "good for her!" and I will not slit my wrists because she is not American.

    It is, indeed, hard for me to convince myself that "how you skate at major international competitions" is something that "really matters at the end of the day." In truth it matters hardly at all. (JMO.)

  4. #139
    At the rink. Again. mskater93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    3,201
    MM: good points there. USFS basically says that selecting by Nationals results has been good forever and ever up until the last quadrenium, so why change? The issue has been inconsistency/injury (Flatt, Czsiny, Nagasu) and the strength of some unexpected skaters (Leonova, Kostner, Suzuki)

  5. #140
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    28,320
    Let me say this again, in a less bombastic way.

    I think figure skating should go from the ground up, not from the top down. Up with skaters, down with the Powers That Be.

    Every 6-year-old Snowplow Sam that laces up his skates should have an equal shot at one day skating for the U.S. championship and a place on the team for the World Championship and the Olympics. This should be something that is earned by the skater, not bestowed from above by Federation Committees who have arrogated all power to themselves.

    (OK, that wasn't less bombastic. Oh well. )

  6. #141
    skating philosopher Mrs. P's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    The land of Agent Dale Cooper
    Posts
    8,590
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I don't know about "looking down on." To me, it's a question of the tail wagging the dog. The USFSA has over 100,000 dues-paying members. Of these, perhaps one one-hundredth of one per cent will ever legitimately aspire to skate in the ISU World Championships.

    in discussions of this sort we try to convince ourselves that it is very important to get three U.S. ladies' spots for the world championships. Is it? The difference between two and three spots will briefly affect the life of precisely one person in the country (population 300,000,000) -- three, if you count that person's parents.

    I am often accused of having no patriotism (and for that matter, no school spirit ). I have to admit that if Julia Lipnitskaya wins the Olympics next year I will say "good for her!" and I will not slit my wrists because she is not American.

    It is, indeed, hard for me to convince myself that "how you skate at major international competitions" is something that "really matters at the end of the day." In truth it matters hardly at all. (JMO.)
    These are some very good points. I think people forget also that out of all the people who compete at Nationals, only a very small percentage gets byes. The rest go through a qualification season. There is no do-over, oh, well you had a great regionals, oh you did great at nationals year, we'll let you in. If you don't make the top four at Easterns, Midwesterns or Pacifics, you are out. No question.

    So it doesn't seem to be that much of a departure for USFSA to say, we'll chose the top two or three skaters by Naitonals and allow for a few exceptions.

    I do find this Monday morning quarterbacking quite hilarious.

  7. #142
    Rejoicing in the land of Kwan kwanatic's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    1,495
    To be honest, I still think Wagner/Gold is the best shot at the world team right now but I don't know that Gracie is ready...hell, how is Ashley doing at this point? No one knows.

    The only thing 4CC showed is that Christina had two solid skates and that Gracie and Agnes struggled. Does that mean Gracie will struggle at worlds? Not necessarily, but judging by her track record so far this season, I wouldn't expect any miracles from her. She's had two brilliant skates (SP at COR and FS at nationals), a few mediocre skates and a couple of disasters. Gracie is nowhere near consistent enough to bet the farm on at this point...

    Gracie's hype is based solely on her potential. Everyone sees her soaring jumps from the practice videos so we all know she's capable of doing the jumps. Nailing the jumps under pressure is what she hasn't done yet. Yes, there was pressure at nationals but skating from 9th place is nowhere near as stressful as skating from 1st, 2nd or 3rd...so even after the clinic she put on at nationals I wasn't convinced she'd turned the corner. 4CC was proof of that. From all indications she's still not ready.

    As for Christina, I think she should be proud of what she's done this year. She's had the best international season of her career and she has things to build on for next season. I do think she was the victim of biased scoring at nationals; her mistakes in her programs were nowhere near as bad as Agnes' and her presentation/artistry/etc. are better than Hicks'....she should have placed 3rd at nationals. But...bygones. The USFSA knew who they wanted to go to worlds and who they wanted for the alternate and they adjusted the results as such. The result: Christina got screwed. Her strong skates and 4th place finish at 4CC is all the vindication she needs.

    Agnes has assumed Rachael's position with the USFSA. They love her big jumps and push her despite the fact the international judges' are less than impressed. But at least Rachael put out good performances internationally to help justify the USFSA's touting of her as the go-to skater...sorry to be frank, but Agnes sucks internationally. Something tells me Agnes will get dumped next year when one of the younger girls moves up.

    The focus is on Gracie now. The commentators during nationals said she Gracie claims to love the attention she gets...I wonder if she still feels that way? If she doesn't deliver at worlds she will be crucified. It doesn't matter that she's inexperienced or whatever...fans will make excuses for her but what it boils down to is people want results and if she doesn't deliver, she will a punching bag from April until October. Look at Alissa last year...Rachael the year before that. The pressure is on and I'm sure she's feeling it.

    For her sake, I hope she can get her act together in this next month...

  8. #143
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    235
    I would be pretty concerned had Gracie skated lights out at 4CC. It's a learning curve and she has more to gain by faltering now than peaking too early. Now both Gracie and Wagner are going to be HUNGRY by Worlds time.

  9. #144
    skating philosopher Mrs. P's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    The land of Agent Dale Cooper
    Posts
    8,590
    Quote Originally Posted by Puchi View Post
    I would be pretty concerned had Gracie skated lights out at 4CC. It's a learning curve and she has more to gain by faltering now than peaking too early. Now both Gracie and Wagner are going to be HUNGRY by Worlds time.
    This. Why peak at 4CC?

  10. #145
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    7,566
    Gracie didn't skate all that bad at 4CC, but I sensed that she was pretty mad at herself after the FS. I agree she should do better at Worlds.

  11. #146
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    2,738
    Gracie is doing just fine; ready to peak when it counts. She is gaining experience in competition, mileage on her programs and h andling the pressure. She is healthy and all is good.

  12. #147
    Down With It
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    13,549
    Quote Originally Posted by Puchi View Post
    I would be pretty concerned had Gracie skated lights out at 4CC. It's a learning curve and she has more to gain by faltering now than peaking too early. Now both Gracie and Wagner are going to be HUNGRY by Worlds time.
    That's the "glass half full" way of looking at it...

    I'm still doubtful (can't ignore the stats staring me right in the face - 1 for 4, etc.), but I agree with not wanting to peak too soon (at 4CCs). See, it kinda happened to Wagner last year...and let's see how the top international crop fare at Worlds as well.

  13. #148
    Miserere Nobis
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Texas Darling
    Posts
    1,529
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Cat View Post
    Except for the fact that Christina has out-skated Gracie in every international competition, and was arguably held down at Nationals. I think it's a bit late to replace Gracie with Christina, and I'm not sure it would do wonders for Gracie's confidence or her ability to deal with nerves, so I'm not sure whether a replacement should occur (even though I personally prefer Christina's skating).

    That said, I do think that there was some USFS favouritism going on, and I know I'm not alone in wondering whether the US selection system needs to be modified slightly.
    They've only been at one international competition together, which was 4CC. I assume you're referencing the GP circuit, where Christina finished 2nd at SA and 4th at TEB, but even there, Gracie's CoR score (on a sloppy FS) was higher than both of Christina's.

    You can't base an argument on one data point, especially when the bulk of the evidence is pointing in the other direction.

  14. #149
    Miserere Nobis
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Texas Darling
    Posts
    1,529
    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    The Worlds haven't happened yet.

    They should send Wagner and the highest placed skater from 4CC which is Gao, IMO.

    With Wagner and Gold, the chances of three Olympic spots are almost none.
    I don't understand this logic. You have a skater, Gracie Gold, who performed brilliantly on the junior circuit and has struggled in her first year as a senior. Then you have another skater, Christina Gao, who has almost no results to show from her past two seasons as a senior (or 3, if you count that she competed in the senior division at US Nationals), was beaten by Gracie and the Russian darlings at Junior Worlds, and is just now getting on her feet.

    The significance of the difference lies in what Gracie can accomplish. Christina at her best couldn't touch what Gracie did in the FS at Nationals.
    Last edited by ForeverFish; 02-11-2013 at 07:28 PM.

  15. #150
    Down With It
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    13,549
    Or look at it this way.

    Gao must be almost FLAWLESS to be in the mix. If Gao has an off day she's out of the top 10 - EASILY. To use someone else's analogy, yes, it's much like the "backup quarterback" situation (except she isn't the backup- Zawadzki is! *shudder*) where in most cases, the backup QB on average will not be all that much of an improvement (if any) over a rough performance from the starter.

    But Gold can afford a few mistakes and still generally stay in the hunt (she must be careful not to melt down, though- 4CC was dangerously close and it happened at SC).

Page 10 of 19 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •