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Thread: Should the ISU carry out an Inquiry into the outcome of the Ladies FS at Skate Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    Too bad they couldn't politic Osmond a second GP spot...
    Seriously!

    But maybe it's not too late. Amelie LaCoste could be persuaded to do her patriotic duty and come up with an injury that knocks her out of Cup of China.

    Or Skate Canada could lean on Great Britain to replace Jenna McCorkell in France.

    Plus, there is Alissa Czisny's spot in NHK to go after.

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    Figure skating is a 2 program event and Akiko unfortunately blew the SP, but great for her to come roaring back in the LP! The results show how important it is for these skaters to have a clean SP. Wishing Suzuki better luck in the SP next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Plus, there is Alissa Czisny's spot in NHK to go after.
    Heh, I was just thinking about what happens if that spot opens up. Betcha Nagasu gets that invite; no way are the Japanese going to invite Osmond! (Unless they desire an Osmond-Sukuki rematch.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I wish you would support each of your statements with some facts.

    Somehow it was OK and exciting for Liza, a first time youngster from Russian, to win the same event last year.
    I was about to post the same thing. When Liza won I don't recall such a vindictive uproar. Perhaps it's because she's from Canada, not U.S., Russia, or Japan and she screwed up the predictions

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I wish you would support each of your statements with some facts.

    Somehow it was OK and exciting for Liza, a first time youngster from Russian, to win the same event last year.
    Because Elizaveta landed all her jumps? Because she wasn't given nines in some of her components and no one else skated as cleanly as her at all including the person who beat her in the long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravensque View Post
    I was about to post the same thing. When Liza won I don't recall such a vindictive uproar. Perhaps it's because she's from Canada, not U.S., Russia, or Japan and she screwed up the predictions
    While I think an inquiry is an overreaction, I also don't think that last year's results can be compared equally. Tuktamysheva skated about as well as she could have (and got in the low-50s in PCS if I recall correctly, not that I have anything to argue about that, her skating still lacks maturity and she needs to develop better SS and TR), while Suzuki did even worse in the SP than she did here and also had mistakes in the LP (and still beat Tuktamysheva in the LP).

    Anyways, after watching the LPs a few more times, I'm starting to think that it wasn't Osmond overscored on PCS, it was Suzuki underscored on PCS (as usual, at Worlds last year she didn't even crack 60 for an inspired performance, and here again ).
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    Just a reminder, Liza's pcs in Skate Canada 2011 were around 25+ in sp and 53+ in Lp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I wish you would support each of your statements with some facts.

    Somehow it was OK and exciting for Liza, a first time youngster from Russian, to win the same event last year.
    I thought Elizaveta deserved her win at Skate Canada last season. She was clearly technically superior to her competitors. She won the event on TES. Her PCS score was low compared to some of the veteran skaters.

    On the other hand, I thought Kaetlyn deserved second or third place at this year's Skate Canada. Akiko Suzuki clearly outpeformed her, but the judges held up the Canadian skater on PCS. I have never heard of a relatively unknown, newbie senior skater receiving the same PCS score as a reigning world medalist. And Osmond's presentation and skating skills are not on Suzuki's level, so the result just feels fraudulent to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Seriously!

    But maybe it's not too late. Amelie LaCoste could be persuaded to do her patriotic duty and come up with an injury that knocks her out of Cup of China.

    Or Skate Canada could lean on Great Britain to replace Jenna McCorkell in France.

    Plus, there is Alissa Czisny's spot in NHK to go after.
    they can actually, I am almost certain they will squeeze Osmond a spot in TEB
    Osmond will beat Ashely, Julia and Liza and will score a world record in SP and FS

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    Both ET and Osmond had the lead from the SP and Akiko ended up 2nd in both events, winning the LP from 4th and 5th position respectively. ET did win with a bigger margin but her PCS was close to Akiko's in the SP and two points lower in the LP whereas Osmond was close to Akiko's LP PCS and 1.6 points behind in the SP.

    Akiko needs to improve her SPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    they can actually, I am almost certain they will squeeze Osmond a spot in TEB
    Osmond will beat Ashely, Julia and Liza and will score a world record in SP and FS
    Now, now. No making TEB harder on the ladies then it already is. Pretty sure if Osmond was also in there they'd have to hire therapists for rink-side treatment if one of the girls starts weeping uncontrollably during a practice or after a performance due to a slight bobble on a jump or a level 3 spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Both ET and Osmond had the lead from the SP and Akiko ended up 2nd in both events, winning the LP from 4th and 5th position respectively. ET did win with a bigger margin but her PCS was close to Akiko's in the SP and two points lower in the LP whereas Osmond was close to Akiko's LP PCS and 1.6 points behind in the SP.

    Akiko needs to improve her SPs.
    Akiko needs to be marked deservedly in pcs. She is no worse than Carolina Kostner for example, I think anyone who has seen Akiko live would see how special she is.

    Elisaveta's pcs were not high during the season, they went higher as she started winning events but were surely not among the top skaters, and rightfully so. She certainly didnt win because of them.

    If Liza had won on the pcs alone against Akiko it would have been just wrong as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    In my view, Akiko was the clear winner and Osmond's score in the FS was way too high. In fact, I would have placed her 4th in the FS and just edging out Liza for the Bronze (Akiko, Kanako, and Liza were all undermarked). The Judging was a disgrace and I think the ISU should carry out an inquiry. Results like this jeopardise the credibility of the sport, and lessons need to be learned to prevent a repetition.
    The Pcs score for Osmond was unusually good. Really to be treated better than he world silver medalist and previous skate Canada winner and everyone there is just not usual. Something was up and it was the extreme and awesome power of the Canadian federation and its control over a lot of judges. You also see this in some wins of Patrick chan.

    Liza also didn't win an event based pcs ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    In my view, Akiko was the clear winner and Osmond's score in the FS was way too high. In fact, I would have placed her 4th in the FS and just edging out Liza for the Bronze (Akiko, Kanako, and Liza were all undermarked). The Judging was a disgrace and I think the ISU should carry out an inquiry. Results like this jeopardise the credibility of the sport, and lessons need to be learned to prevent a repetition.
    I don't think results like these jeopardize the sport as much as we'd like to think. If they genuinely did jeopardize the ISU's ability to monetize these skaters, they'd do something about it (or more accurately, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't work in the ISU's favour).

    Though, lets actually have one fact. Winning on PCS suggests that they lost on TES and were able to make up the difference on PCS. Which wasn't the case here. She won on both. You can argue she shouldn't have, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    The score for Osmond was unusually good. Really to be treated better than he world silver medalist and previous Kate Canada winner and everyone there is just not usual. Something was up and it was the extreme and awesome power of the Canadian federation and its control over a lot of judges. You also see this in some wins of Patrick chan.
    I read in one interview, the Canadian Feds get the most politicking and swaying when it comes to judges and scoring
    I think they will be pushing Osmond to be the leading Gold female Olympic contender or at least close the gap with Yuna as she comes back in a
    hope by beating most of the current skaters, Osmond will be a lock with a fight w/ Yuna for OGM

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