10-29-2012, 04:41 PM
Wasn't overly impressed with either Carmen. I am a fan of V/M but not sure if the role of Carmen suits Tessa and I didn't like the costumes, they still got a big score though. I thought C/L was going to push them in the free but it wasn't close. I like R/T but it would be good for them to change styles, I think they are vunerable as Russian No. 3's, will they get to Euros and worlds?
Two comps in to the Senior GP and I would say my favourite routines are W/P and B/S.
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10-29-2012, 08:28 PM
"Hold an edge and look sexy!"
Oops! Sorry for the error; thanks for correcting me!
Originally Posted by Marta25
10-29-2012, 08:42 PM
I think V/M program has had a very promising opening, but lacked climation at near the end, not quite deliver. Maybe it was just because it's the season debute.
10-29-2012, 08:56 PM
I think it was that and the couple of errors at the end that took the wind out of the sails a bit (not entirely, I could still see the promise of what it can be).
Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
10-29-2012, 09:47 PM
www.iceskatingintnl.com has some interesting articles/analysis on the "Carmens" one by Sonia Bianchetti, one by Alexandra Stevenson and one by George Rossano.
10-29-2012, 10:08 PM
Alexandra Stevenson reports that Tessa vomited after the dance was over. Pretty impressive performance all things considered.
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10-30-2012, 03:27 AM
Wasn't impressed with all the top three. This season I liked only one SP of BS. No other SP and FD. I think VM and DW are not as good as they used to be,,,
10-30-2012, 09:29 AM
Gambatte, Max Aaron/"No letting off the gas pedal"
In reply to a question at the post-FD press conference, Virtue said that she had felt fine during their skate -- although she acknowledged that a bout of sickness hit her (I'm paraphrasing - don't recall her exact words) during the medal ceremony.
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
V/M's performance was impressive all the same.
10-30-2012, 01:05 PM
My favourite was the C/L Carmen, I really loved it.
10-30-2012, 09:43 PM
What storyline are you following? Because the last two lifts made sense to me. The first of the last two is during the "romantic" portion where they are both in love with each other and enjoying that love. The straight line I think is a take off of this lift in the Roland Petit ballet: http://operanut.net/wp-content/uploa...EndingPose.jpg
Originally Posted by KKonas
The last rotational lift is where Carmen and Don Jose are fighting, each trying to be dominant, with Carmen trying to remain free rather than subjugated by Don Jose. The lift is exactly what everyone thinks it is: Carmen jumps on his face, trying to be dominant; he obliges so well that she falls into an orgasm, and the struggle continues.
Of course, this is just how I saw it. I'm sure everyone is seeing the program in their own way.
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10-30-2012, 11:31 PM
Well I'd quote the whole thing but that would be overkill. Though I agree with every word of it.
Originally Posted by Mathman
Ice dance in particular seems prone to what you call an "ever more Baroque direction" (I'd call it rococo, but let's not quibble, shall we? ). I'm old enough to remember the period right AFTER T/D's Bolero, when it seemed like every other ice dance couple was going for UberDrama! to the point where officials had to ban the dramatic flop to the ice program ending move.
One of the reasons I think ice dancing has been so thrilling the last couple of years is because it moved away from the traumadrama and toward a more complicated athleticism. And as much as I loved W/P's angstfest last year (those lifts--talk about thrillin!), it was still an angstfest. And that gets tired real fast, because most couples quite frankly are athletes and not actors.
10-30-2012, 11:40 PM
Oh--about V/M's Carmen...well it's a definite step up from the prefab sentimental schmaltz of FF, but I don't think it goes far enough in terms of using a modern dance vocabulary. Right now it's just another example of embellishment and ornamentation. But hey, YMMV. And it's still early. Though that final lift was atrocious.
Last edited by WeakAnkles; 10-30-2012 at 11:42 PM.
10-31-2012, 08:36 AM
Did not like V/M's Carmen. Nor her costume but I did think their skate was really good - just didn't care for the interpretation and I agree, Tessa isn't Carmen and actually I'm glad about that. Wish they would have chosen a different theme, idea. All this drama seems so Russian but perhaps that's the intention. Russia is hosting some mighty big events in this year and next.
10-31-2012, 08:50 AM
10-31-2012, 08:55 AM
I'm betting they would have put in more if the ice dance rule requirements weren't so stringent. There's only so much you can do when there are limited ways to gain points.
Originally Posted by WeakAnkles
I think that is definitely the intention. V/M have never won the GPF, and they want to win another Olympic gold. This type of program is a good choice for winning certain audiences over.
Originally Posted by taikwan