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    only for look to Julia you cant say the body type that she will get it, I dont see nothing to think she will be like the Sasha´s body type, if we would see to her parents and sibilings is different, its a better guide. Mirai and Caroline looked more petite and skinny than Julia at 14 yr old. I dont say that is impossible not lose the jumps but there are big probailities that growth spurt affect in a negative way her carer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chapis View Post
    only for look to Julia you cant say the body type that she will get it, I dont see nothing to think she will be like the Sasha´s body type, if we would see to her parents and sibilings is different, its a better guide. Mirai and Caroline looked more petite and skinny than Julia at 14 yr old. I dont say that is impossible not lose the jumps but there are big probailities that growth spurt affect in a negative way her carer.
    This is true and there is a lot to be said for your body growing to whatever size it is meant to be. Mirai and Caroline are not the only examples of girls who are very short and skinny minnie as young teenagers that grow to be rather normal/average sized, in terms of both height and weight (at least by athlete standards) by the time they are in their late teens. I was the same way. Sometimes girls at that age remain tiny but others will grow a lot, and some do their bulk of their growing all at once (e.g. Mirai, who grew hugely from 2007-2009 but has not changed that much since) while others have a few major spurts (like Caroline, who shot up in height one season, then filled out a lot the next, and Kanako, who has grown and filled out in smaller spurts over the past couple seasons) and still others are lucky and go through puberty gradually without experiencing really noticeable or major changes all at once (like Mao or Yuna).

    It's funny, the podium at the JGP Bosphorous from 2010, Kiri, Christina, and Sofia are all about the same size/height http://stat001.ameba.jp/user_images/...0281810960.jpg, and now 2 years later they look so different, Gao towers over the other two and while still willowy is much more muscular compared to then, while Kiri is petite and appears to have not gotten much taller since but is now more compact and muscular in build, and then Sofia is similarly petite but very slight in her build, maybe even looks thinner now compared to then. Looking at Julia there is a good possibility she will remain very petite, but it might not happen, and if she does grow a lot more, we don't know when it will happen, how it will effect her, and whether it will be a short, aggressive stage where she's really out of it then bounces back, if it will be a long-term gradual adjustment process, or if she will get through it with little difficulties at all.

    Julia might be okay because physically, to me at least, she does look her age, whereas someone like Mirai, Caroline, Christina Gao, etc. at 13 and 14 did not look their age but much younger, maybe 10 or 12. So sometimes looking very young and being very small at that age speaks to someone not having hit puberty yet rather than being just a naturally small person, and oftentimes it it these girls that end up growing to be bigger people as adults (bigger people being relative, in my experience, most of these girls that grow late usually end up pretty average height, maybe 5'4" to 5'6", but this seems taller due to their being so tiny as young teens), they just undergo the changes at an older age. Julia has grown height wise but also has become studier in her build these past few seasons, and while she certainly doesn't have a womanly figure yet, she doesn't look like a 10 or 12 year old to me, meaning she might luck out and undergo puberty changes gradually, which may help her skating career. Yuna was the same way, she definitely looked different at 20 compared to 14, and while the height and weight she added between those years was likely a lot less than some others or is usual, she definitely did grow and mature during that time, its more you can't pinpoint to a certain year or season and say that was when she grew or filled out, it was more gradual and thus she was able to keep her skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    ...(on Julia) while she certainly doesn't have a womanly figure yet, she doesn't look like a 10 or 12 year old to me, meaning she might luck out and undergo puberty changes gradually, which may help her skating career...
    That's what I think is likely to happen, too.

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    Russia's best female skater?

    I have to say, I favour Julia Lipnitskaia. To me, she seems to have an innate musicality by the way she times her movements and flourishes, and the technique on her jumps--while they may not be perfect--are beautiful to me. Very delicate touch and not muscled through. Her sense of balance is evidently well-developed, so even while her skating skills may not yet be as strong as some of the veteran skaters, she looks stable and secure and this is appealing to me.

    In addition, personality-wise she seems like a sweet introverted girl who is nonetheless fairly confident in her abilities without projecting any kind of diva-ness. Yes, it is unfortunate that her flexibility is not utilized optimally in her choreography and oftentimes put on display randomly, but I wonder if in the future Tatiana Tarasova might coach her a bit because I imagine Tarasova would/could do wonders with her on the presentation.

    In summary, I don't think she "skates right through the music"; I just think she needs to be taught how to express herself better in an outward manner and also be directed to use her talents in a more choreographically coherent way.

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    What I do worry about is that Julia spins so fast in the air on her jumps that if her body changes at all it is really going to impact her timing. I think a year from now she could be having to rework her jump technique to accommodate her maturing body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    What I do worry about is that Julia spins so fast in the air on her jumps that if her body changes at all it is really going to impact her timing. I think a year from now she could be having to rework her jump technique to accommodate her maturing body.
    She's 14 so in all likelihood she's not done growing. Puberty is different for everyone but most girls don't finish growing/filling out until 17 or as late as 19.

    Watching her Finlandia performance, I paid close attention to her jumps. She rotates very quickly in the air which is a great thing but she doesn't get good height on her jumps. As of now, her quick rotation compensates for her lack of height. Some skaters gain height and muscle and it helps them in terms of power...this is the best case scenario for Julia. Worst case: she gains height and weight but isn't able to coax any more height out of her jumps in which case she'll rely on rotation and, with added weight and height, it's likely she won't rotate as fast.

    Then again, who knows? Maybe she will change gradually and it won't affect her at all...we really have no way of knowing. But for me, due to her age and the way her skating looks now, I want to reserve judgment until she's done growing.

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    Liza is

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Liza is
    I agree. The last minute or so of her LP at TEB was the most I've ever seen her express herself in a program.

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    Is it just me, or does Liza look like she has a round body type that could easily become overweight and pear-shaped if she let herself go? That worry hit me when I was watching her at TEB. Not that she is anything but thin and fit now, but the roundness of her face and hips kind of worried me. I guess she is sort of like Slutskaya. I know Slutskaya's never been fat, but I think she has the body type that could blow up quite quickly.. an endomorph. Kind of like Charlie White or Maxim Shabalin too (and Max Shabalin pretty much IS fat now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    Is it just me, or does Liza look like she has a round body type that could easily become overweight and pear-shaped if she let herself go? That worry hit me when I was watching her at TEB. Not that she is anything but thin and fit now, but the roundness of her face and hips kind of worried me. I guess she is sort of like Slutskaya. I know Slutskaya's never been fat, but I think she has the body type that could blow up quite quickly.. an endomorph. Kind of like Charlie White or Maxim Shabalin too (and Max Shabalin pretty much IS fat now).
    calling someone Fat is just too much, though I think Liza has Rachael Flatt body except taht her technique is superb, she has carried it through even as she fille dout this season,
    this is her transitional age, so I don't think she will baloon that much as Slutskaya didnt also. Adelina is more womanly now, but even her narrow hips didnt help her with the jumps, I am most interested what Julia will look in a few years, she has the proportioned body type for a skater, her legs are not that long but just enough to spring her jumps

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    Is it just me, or does Liza look like she has a round body type that could easily become overweight and pear-shaped if she let herself go?
    I don't think she will. She appears to be a hard-worker and continued to fight to improve during her growth spurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I don't think she will. She appears to be a hard-worker and continued to fight to improve during her growth spurt.
    Agree. I was happy to see she has all her jumps back including 3L3T even after her body changed. Many people speculated last season that she can only rotate her jumps because she is tiny. Well, they turned out to be wrong. Her excellent technique helped her to regain her form quickly, I am not worried about her any more.

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    I think Tania V in pairs is the top skater right now in Russia. All the baby ballerinas are in puberty and consistency problems plus maturing; and the veterans Leonova and Makarova look like they are yesterday's news. In fact, Russia might have trouble holding on to 3 spots - if 3 Japanese ladies, Yuna, Carolina, an American (probably Wagner who could be champ)and say a Finn beat them they are finished. Heck Osmond could beat them all too from Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I think Tania V in pairs is the top skater right now in Russia. All the baby ballerinas are in puberty and consistency problems plus maturing; and the veterans Leonova and Makarova look like they are yesterday's news. In fact, Russia might have trouble holding on to 3 spots - if 3 Japanese ladies, Yuna, Carolina, an American (probably Wagner who could be champ)and say a Finn beat them they are finished. Heck Osmond could beat them all too from Canada.
    Don't even start here They ARE contenders,i.e. Rus girls, don't you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I think Tania V in pairs is the top skater right now in Russia. All the baby ballerinas are in puberty and consistency problems plus maturing; and the veterans Leonova and Makarova look like they are yesterday's news. In fact, Russia might have trouble holding on to 3 spots - if 3 Japanese ladies, Yuna, Carolina, an American (probably Wagner who could be champ)and say a Finn beat them they are finished. Heck Osmond could beat them all too from Canada.
    says a Canadian who said No Russian ladies will be in GPF this Season , lol
    Osmond ? Yes, with a 5 triple with inflation , Tuk has scored higher than Osmond btw
    its too early, so hold your Canadian horses at the Olympics, Osmond isn't a guaranteed World contender yet either,
    it might be a while before we see who will be finished
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