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    Most powerful federation?

    I assume the powerful skating feds are in no particular order, Russian Fed, Japanese Fed, Canadian Fed, USFSA, and now China. Who am I missing, and can someone rank the feds in terms of dollars spent last year, and who seems to weild the most power in judging. I am not sure if it was sour grapes but some in the thread on Skate Canada said the results show how corrupt they are. There are some spoilers here, so if you have somehow not looked at the winners and are Tivoing the comp to watch next week, then please stop reading here.

    Some used the results of Ladies to say the golden lady was outskated by the silver lady. I agreed on that, though it seemed close to me Also The mens. The controversy included booing in the Arena when Canadian guy who won silver was outskated technically by far by the bronze medalist who was very impressive. I am guessing it was the PCS scores and positive GOEs and TES scores but have read no protocols. At least he did not win over the guy who should have won gold, and did. I did not see all the FD's in ID but I felt the Italian team deserved gold, not the Canadian team. This was rep judging it seems, and home turf. The Oly golden dancers are not always the best team but they win. ID judging tho is beyond me, and I do not think they are obviously better than the two top American teams, the other Canadian team (weaver /poje are on par with them at their best). In SC, I wish the Italians had won. I think they were better. I am not sure what scoring was in the OD but the messed up lift from Voir was very bad and really affected the whole program and should have been marked harder down. But i know the least about ID. I wondered if Zueva has an advantage with judges over Igor at this point. I usually am ok with Voir winning, but I liked the Italians a lot, would have liked to see them win gold. Canada obviously has more clout than Italy. Tho with Carolina as WC they must be getting more respect.

    Without getting political about real politics, can someone in the know who reads about federations and their standing in the ISU rank them? I don't know if corrupt is the right word, but a couple, possible 3 judging decisons surprised me, where of course, Canada was the winner. Are these federations really as corrupt as some posters who fiollow this all the time say?

    And what results can you back up what you opine with? I see what I see and other than what I read here or on FSU, and one has to wade packed posts, I do not know what to think. IJS CoP was meant to stop all the cheating, and I see a big change (or did) in ice dance. I could not watch it in the 90's. ID and Pairs seemed reserved for Russian teams for so long, it could get frustrating. So I am happy with the CoP IJS change in Ice dance, and pairs is no longer owned by Russia since SLC debacle. But has the game remained the same with the powers having now shifted to Asia?

    I think we can discuss this with knowing that all peoples are good, equal and loving, while governing bodies, even in sport, sometimes misuse power...your thoughts?

    ETA I have constant problems with the software here repeating several words of my sentence...it is not new and happens on both laptops I iown, so maybe I should ask what the issue is, do others have this repeating part of a sentence problem? IO catch it when i re-read the post as I have a hard time when the area is very small to review for really bad mistakes. I am not sure where to adress this, ie. which forum moderator? It is really annoying and I should have addressed it long ago rather than just fixing it if I see it. I can't be only one (I hope) with this tech. issue. Thankyou mods! Always something to keep you busy, eh? Sorry.
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    by Politik Canada, by coverage/funding Japan

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    The best place to ask technical question about the board, like about the repeating words in Edit mode, is in the Feedback forum. It is near the bottom of the forum list, after all the Competition forums. I've started a thread for you there, on your repeating words problem, because I only know a How To Cope answer. I hope someone that knows the whole answer will post:

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...206#post672206

    and a link to the Feedback forum, for anyone else who has a question of any sort for the mods or other resident experts.
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    thank you Doris.

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    I don't think it was a coincidence that Chan lost to Takahashi at WTT 2012 in Japan and was dumped by the judges in Japan Open this season. The Japanese federation definitely wants Chan's superiority to stop. I think that is also the reason why neither Takahashi nor Hanyu competed at SC. The Japanese federation sent Oda, their current 4th because they knew that Chan would be placed inhead of the Japanese men, no matter what. And if Orser wasn't Canadian, Javier woudn't have won. I think there is hostility bw the Japanese and Canadian federations. That is one of the reasons, why Osmond won over the better Japanese ladies. It will be interesting who wants to compete in Skate Canada in the future anymore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    I don't think it was a coincidence that Chan lost to Takahashi at WTT 2012 in Japan and was dumped by the judges in Japan Open this season. The Japanese federation definitely wants Chan's superiority to stop. I think that is also the reason why neither Takahashi nor Hanyu competed at SC. The Japanese federation sent Oda, their current 4th because they knew that Chan would be placed inhead of the Japanese men, no matter what. And if Orser wasn't Canadian, Javier woudn't have won. I think there is hostility bw the Japanese and Canadian federations. That is one of the reasons, why Osmond won over the better Japanese ladies. It will be interesting who wants to compete in Skate Canada in the future anymore...
    Chan has every advantage on his side when it comes to federation support. If you are seriously suggesting that Orser + the Spanish fed are more powerful than Skate Canada, in Canada no less... .

    The reason that neither Takahashi nor Hanyu were sent to SC is that they are both in the same seeding group from Worlds as Chan. TEB and NHK traded seeds, it seems - normally you have one medalist and one 4-6 finisher at each GP, but NHK has two medalists while TEB has two 4-6 guys because you had two skaters from the same country in each group. But there is no way on earth that Skate Canada would pick another medalist over Patrick Chan. It has nothing to do with the JSF or its tactics. The other seeded entry (from the 4-6 finishers) at SC was Amodio, who obviously wasn't at his best. Skate Canada as the host basically got to call the shots beyond that (although there is some trading between the feds, and various machinations); they could have gone with Kozuka, but Oda was a safer choice for them.

    Of course the JSF would rather see its skaters win over Chan. Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    by Politik Canada, by coverage/funding Japan
    I think the Russian federation is very powerful too. Remember, in the last couple years they've scored two major coups:

    1) Getting 2011 Worlds in Moscow after the tsunami
    2) Getting Plushenko reinstated to eligible status (would that have happened for any other skater, from any other country?)

    The U.S. federation, meanwhile, seems quite weak, especially considering the general strength of our program. I'm guessing this is attributable to the sport's current lack of popularity in the U.S. Despite this, though, I feel like we should have more pull.

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    For decades everyone in international skating made fun of how badly the uSFSA played the political game. Almost as if they didn't want to.

    However, back in the day, as much as half of the ISU's money came from the United States. Politics aside, he who pays the piper calls the tune. Now Japan is in that role.

    Someone mentioned on another thread that the Canadian Federation hoped to reap big benefits when David Dore became the ISU's top honcho for figure skating. Dore turned out not to be as parochial as expected.

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    I think the USFS was so accustomed to use TV bucks to exert power that they are now clueless how real Macchiavelli's of skate have to play the politiks game; consequently USFS seems pretty weak to me.

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    The quickest way to answer the question is to say everyone else politics except for my federation :P

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    The US offered to do worlds in Colorado Springs. Personally, I'm glad Russia got the bid.

    I hate competitions held at altitude with skaters turning blue in the face before our very eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    I think the Russian federation is very powerful too. Remember, in the last couple years they've scored two major coups:

    1) Getting 2011 Worlds in Moscow after the tsunami
    2) Getting Plushenko reinstated to eligible status (would that have happened for any other skater, from any other country?)
    Probably any skater would since the ban was not for a lifetime and you have one opportunity to ask for unban.

    Who else offered to do Worlds that year that had the way to do it in a month? I remember France or Canada didnt want to give their 2012/2013 Worlds for 2011.But I remember some other countries offering, I just dont remember which.

    Thats not denying Russia is a powerful fed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    I think the Russian federation is very powerful too. Remember, in the last couple years they've scored two major coups:

    1) Getting 2011 Worlds in Moscow after the tsunami
    2) Getting Plushenko reinstated to eligible status (would that have happened for any other skater, from any other country?)

    The U.S. federation, meanwhile, seems quite weak, especially considering the general strength of our program. I'm guessing this is attributable to the sport's current lack of popularity in the U.S. Despite this, though, I feel like we should have more pull.
    thats just based on the upcoming Worlds, Canada is heavily politicking even in the ladies, and this is because this will determine the number of spots for the Olypmpics
    though Japan alone probably earns skaters the most bucks from FS popularity and Japan and its ice shows. that will change by next Season, Russia is still powerful as it will host the Olympics, even Piseev or was that Gorshkov that even in ice dancing they dont expect a podium by 2013 Worlds but by Olympics season, they will be fighting for a medal

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    I think the Russian federation is very powerful too. Remember, in the last couple years they've scored two major coups:

    1) Getting 2011 Worlds in Moscow after the tsunami
    2) Getting Plushenko reinstated to eligible status (would that have happened for any other skater, from any other country?)

    The U.S. federation, meanwhile, seems quite weak, especially considering the general strength of our program. I'm guessing this is attributable to the sport's current lack of popularity in the U.S. Despite this, though, I feel like we should have more pull.
    1.) Putin didn't ask for a penny from the ISU. The event's costs were eight million dollars! Funny I don't remember, when the US president opened a figure skating championships.
    2.) That was a complicated story. The Russian Federation wanted the suspension. Why hasn't suspended the ISU Joannie Rochette? She was in same situation.

    Canada, Russia, Japan..
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    I think the Russian federation is very powerful too. Remember, in the last couple years they've scored two major coups:

    1) Getting 2011 Worlds in Moscow after the tsunami
    2) Getting Plushenko reinstated to eligible status (would that have happened for any other skater, from any other country?)

    The U.S. federation, meanwhile, seems quite weak, especially considering the general strength of our program. I'm guessing this is attributable to the sport's current lack of popularity in the U.S. Despite this, though, I feel like we should have more pull.
    Plushenko's reinstatement followed all the rules and I think his exception to the point minimum from ISU rule for euros was all because he is Plushenko not that he was from Russia.

    The answer is totally Canada.

    Canada whining changed the scoring system. Well Canada and US but US got behind Canada!

    The whole thing is there is subjectivity involved and that can be influenced by politics. Obviously Vancouver had tons of politics against Russian skaters by Canadians and Americans. Russia did not effectively respond!

    Brining up the fact that the ISU had Plushenko in a bad judging/skater video was already too late. How was he even is the bad skater video when he was talking of coming back for years just had not pulled the trigger. He was talking about it and the ISU still had Plushenko in the bad judging/skater video.

    The model of bad judging was all about a compeition where a Russian won Gold!!
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