^Before Torino Plush was fine, maybe you mean Vancouver
This system is not easy to game, even if you did happen to know which judges scores were being used. It is ridiculous to assume that one federation can manipulate results, especially under this judging system.
How would the anyone know that Osmond might skate well enough to be declared the winner, and that Suzuki would bomb her SP? Manipulation of the results only works when the skaters perform to a level which makes the results reasonable. How would SC know long enough in advance of the event to maniuplate the judges assigned?
Last edited by Dragonlady; 11-01-2012 at 06:44 PM.
PCS scores are just as easy (or hard) to manipulate as pre COP scores; however, that's not saying that there was anything wrong going on here.
A little OT, but does SC invite and pay for travel for the judges as well? If so, that could be a little extra motivation to bump a home skater if the judge wants to be invited in the future.
Excuse me for bringing up an old case and specific skaters. The technical caller who first gave Yu-Na an edge attention call (when FS commentators were saying hers was a perfect flip) was the same one who dinged her with a UR call (the only time it happened to her 3-3s) at 2009 GPFs in Japan, just prior to the Olys. And as somebody pointed out here, the ISU council made the rule changes after the Olys, limiting the number of 2As and raising the value of 3As. The consequence? We no longer see her huge 3f-3t or 2a-3t, point-scoring being secondary. Terrific.
More recent case: I have no problem with Kaetlyn declared a winner at that particular event (she's a fine athlete and I like her skating and her confidence). She did have the SP lead and it could have gone either way. Still, granting her some 9s were just absurd or, to say the least, inconsistent by any standard, absolute or relative, or with the so-called "corridor" practice.
Those things have happened and will continue to happen. But if the fans don't raise concerns and take it like "that's the way it is", then who would? Cinquanta? Dore?
And for heaven's sake, judges, coaches and skaters have talked about politicking in the past, so I don't know why we as fans should believe it doesn't exist.
As to why we bother watching? The fact is that through it all, despite bad judging, questionable scores, whatever, the skating is still fun to watch! I find it pretty easy to still enjoy both Akiko's and Kaetlyn's programs (namely Akiko's FS and Kaetlyn's SP) despite all the discussion.
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Yuna had the basics, but she was clearly helped greatly in every way from the Canadian team based at cricket club. Without ALL they did for her and taught her, it easily would have been Mao as OGM. Yuna understands her first coaches could not take her from a girl who was Korean National Champion (where is korea? lol) and GPF champ to the next level. I understand she learned good technique as a young girl, but her Canadian team transformed her. To ask why Joannie did not win is rather Duh. Her mistakes were many. She might have been totally aweome (as opposed to just awesome) had her mother not [unexpectedly passed away]. I love her skating, and would rather watch Joannie do a gala than Yuna. After her mother died, Joannie skated with her heart and warmth. Yuna is a cool, cold skater. One does not feel her programs. At least many say so and I get the point. How could joannie win over a clean Yuna with her jumps done perfectly or a three triple axel mao who also skated very well.
No federation could cheat like that in an Olympics where every score is heavily scrutinized. That is the major reason why we have CoP. Fair judging. Vancouver was indeed fair.
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Last edited by Bluebonnet; 11-01-2012 at 09:23 PM.
The answer is totally Canada.
Canada whining changed the scoring system. Well Canada and US but US got behind Canada!
The whole thing is there is subjectivity involved and that can be influenced by politics. Obviously Vancouver had tons of politics against Russian skaters by Canadians and Americans. Russia did not effectively respond!
Brining up the fact that the ISU had Plushenko in a bad judging/skater video was already too late. How was he even is the bad skater video when he was talking of coming back for years just had not pulled the trigger. He was talking about it and the ISU still had Plushenko in the bad judging/skater video.
The model of bad judging was all about a compeition where a Russian won Gold!!
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