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    The landing edge and flow out of a jump

    Why don’t we see jump landings like this any more? Is a beautiful, controlled, extended landing edge somehow CoP-unfriendly, since there is a second or two, while the skater is completing the jump, during which she is not earning any extra points?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1imuQWeIi4Q#t=1m53s

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    This is actually very CoP-friendly jump. It could get +1 or +2 for GoE. Things you mentioned (good flowing edge on the landing as well as good extention of the free leg) are both features for higher GoE. I would say she also fullfils "efortless throughout" bullet. And that spiral she held after the landing is considered as difficult/creative/unexpected exit, that should increase her marks for Transitions.

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    Part of me is tempted to say that very, very few people are able to NOT rush things like Michelle who combined not rushing with amazing blade to ice control. I feel like we've seen glimpses of cool holding edges out of jumps that perhaps could have been held longer but were rushed; is it rushed because COP demands so many elements or is it rushed because nerves set it? I'm not sure ....and am too tired to think of good examples to share for study. If they come to me, I'll share them.

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    As you pointed out, many skaters are just not comfortable with that kind of long edge at the end of a jumps, especially the Men. If you watch Kostner's 3F in least year's Worlds FS or her 2A in the 2011 Worlds FS you can see very good and long landing edges, the same for Suzuki's opening 3Lz last season at NHK FS (where she received a +1.40 GOE)...

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    I don’t think that kind of elongated landing is particularly difficult technically for any elite skater with good exit edge on jumps. If that kind of landing is intended to match the music and the choreographic passage (like in the MK example that MM gave), only then it deserves extra-extra point, either in TES for taking the extra risk or in PCS for whatever categories a judge finds applicable, I think.
    Last edited by lowtherlore; 10-31-2012 at 07:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtherlore View Post
    I don’t think that kind of elongated landing is particularly difficult technically for any elite skater with good exit edge on jumps.
    This is the problem: the major part of the competing elite-senior Ladies do not have good exit edges! See leonova or, in general, all the russians: their jumping quality is superbe, but their landing edges are short and rushed, especially Lipnitskaya's and leonova's, the same for many of the americans, except nagasu (when she's in good shape) or (sometimes in flip and loop) wagner...

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