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Different 3-3s

daphna

On the Ice
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Mar 6, 2004
Carolina Kostner has landed 3 lutz-3 toe, 3 flip-3 toe, and 3toe-3toe in competiotions throughout her career.
 

FlattFan

Match Penalty
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Jan 4, 2010
I'm surprised Miki's not yet mentioned. She's THE jumper.
3T-3T
3T-3Loop
3Sal-3Loop
3F-3Loop
3Lz-3Loop
 

gkelly

Record Breaker
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Jul 26, 2003
Was that at the beginning of IJS, before they introduced the < symbol and just called downgraded triples as doubles?
 

FSGMT

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Sep 10, 2012
So, here's the correct list:
6 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Polina Shelepen (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo)
5 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Miki Ando (3T+3T, 3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3Lo)
4 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Surya Bonaly (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Elena Radionova (3Lz+3T, 3Lo+3T, 3S+3T and, according to AlexRus, 3T+3T); Shizuka Arakawa (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3S+3T, 3S+3Lo)
3 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Midori Ito (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3A+3T (maybe 3Lo+3Lo, if you remember when please post the link)); Irina Slutskaya (3S+3Lo, 3T+3T, 3lz+3Lo); Adelina Sotnikova (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo); Carolina Kostner (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Yu-Na Kim (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Sarah Hughes (3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3Lo+3Lo).
 

hanca

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Sep 23, 2008
Yep. But for some reason, they just count it as a 1Lo on the protocol sheets. Anyone know why?

Maybe because although it is called half loop, it is still one rotation jump? (doing half loop is harder than doing single loop.)
 

drivingmissdaisy

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Feb 17, 2010
So, here's the correct list:
6 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Polina Shelepen (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo)
5 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Miki Ando (3T+3T, 3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3Lo)
4 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Surya Bonaly (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Elena Radionova (3Lz+3T, 3Lo+3T, 3S+3T and, according to AlexRus, 3T+3T); Shizuka Arakawa (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3S+3T, 3S+3Lo)
3 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Midori Ito (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3A+3T (maybe 3Lo+3Lo, if you remember when please post the link)); Irina Slutskaya (3S+3Lo, 3T+3T, 3lz+3Lo); Adelina Sotnikova (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo); Carolina Kostner (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Yu-Na Kim (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Sarah Hughes (3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3Lo+3Lo).

You forgot Mao!
 

Cherryy

On the Ice
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Aug 27, 2012
You forgot Mao!

Actually, Mao landed only 2 triple-triple combinations at international competitions. Both for example at 2008 worlds: triple flip-triple loop and triple flip-triple toeloop. She landed triple flip-triple loop-triple toeloop at 2002 nationals but the loop in the cop era would be probably under-rotated and toeloop definitely downgraded. The combination is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEyU1Baaaeg&t=1m23s . Let's remember she's one of two women that performed 3 axel - 2 toe, which is also an accomplishment but still, technicaly it's not a triple-triple. So if we count national competitions, Mao can be added to the list :)
 

Blades of Passion

Skating is Art, if you let it be
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Sep 14, 2008
Country
France
And, yes, I didn't count the 3-jumps combos because (for me, at least, as a skater) they are easier than "real" combos so they are not really 3-3 combinations but 3-3 sequences (now counted as combos, I know) and the list would have been too long! :biggrin:

3Toe-half loop-3Sal is objectively just as difficult (if not more difficult) than a 3Toe-3Toe. It is definitely a combination as well, my dear. These things do come down to skater preference, though.

Since you find combinations with half loop + 3Sal on the back end to be "easy and not combinations at all", have you ever managed to do a Triple jump + half loop + 3Flip? I'm guessing probably not. It is a very difficult combination.
 

mskater93

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Oct 22, 2005
Agreed on the difficulty of 1/2 loop+anything. The 1/2 loop is a tricky beast because the tendency is to let the checking shoulder start to release which makes it super-easy to pop or not even be able to leave the ice on the follow on jump. It should NEVER have been considered a sequence to begin with as (other than the ISU arbitrarily considering it an unlisted jump element) it meets the definition of combo as there is no change of foot/edge between the landing of one and the take off of the other.

From a difficulty standpoint, very few skaters have done 1/2 loop+jump combos:
3A+1/2 loop+flip: Plushenko
3F/3T/3Lz+1/2loop+sal: Gold, Chan, Rochette, Aaron

And 1/2 loop+3Lo Sequence:
Aaron
 

Brett

Spectator
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Jan 19, 2012
Are there videos of Polina's Triple Triples?
Specifically the Flip-Loop and Lutz-Loop?
 
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